I'm assuming (which could make me an *****) that you all are riding road bikes. I've been riding a hybrid for the past year and a half, so this mat be way off base. But, after trying out three different saddles (Selle, Specialized WSD, and Terry Liberator)I went to the weird and wonderful www.spongywonder.com. It felt very odd at first, but now Ilove it. No pressure anywhere, plus lots of cooling airflow. I am goin gto be buying a road bike soon, so not sure what will hapopen then, but if you really can't get comfortable, give this a try.