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  1. #1
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    Question Suggestions for improving my speed in the flats?

    If one were to look at me, they'd guess that that I'm built for speed as I have very strong, powerful legs. What you can't see is that I also apparently have a natural talent for CV endurance. When I bought my road bike, I immedately discovered that I also have an advantage on the uphill. Good thing, too...otherwise I'd be dropped on half the group rides because I also learned that I suck in the flats.

    I have two issues. 1) I just can't seem to keep up over the long flat haul (luckily, I live in a hilly area, so it hasn't kept me from cycling!) and 2) the slightest crosswind, and I'm off the paceline and sometimes almost off the road.

    How can I get stronger/faster in the flats? Are there any training hints/suggestions? Am I slower because of technique/training, or do my short legs put me at a disadvantage?

    I'm still awaiting my new bike (that is significantly smaller than the one I've been riding) so I'm hoping a better fit and better balance means better wind handling...but if not, is there a way that I can improve on this, as well?

    I'm extremely competitive, and I hate not keeping up! Thanks!

  2. #2
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    I love the flats (and rollers)!! I love a headwind!! There are many ways to improve your power on the flats:

    Power intervals. Do hard efforts of 3 - 5 minutes at a time (building up). If you ride hard and push yourself hard, you can develop your power. Do a mini-time trial where you are pushing yourself to the limit of what you think you can do and just hold that for the interval time. Do "town line" sprint efforts where you go all out to a certain point maybe 500 meters in front of you.

    You mention not being able to "keep up" in the wind. Maybe your group riding/pacelining skills need some work also? Sometimes if you aren't on the wheel and a gap opens up, it is hard to get back on. Work on keeping on the wheel. When you rotate off the front, be sure you bring your speed up as you approach the last in line rider so you can get right on the wheel. Work on riding in the sweet spot of the rider in front of you - in a cross wind that is generally a bit off to the side.

    Even if you are already talented on the hills, pushing yourself hard on the hills will give you more power on the flats.
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  3. #3
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    Ditto.

    Then, go find a fun short time trial.
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  4. #4
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    I wonder how much has to do with aerodynamics - so better fitting bike and working on paceline technique could make a big difference. I am also better on hills and it almost feels like there's a better angle of efficiency there, so maybe leaning differently would make a difference (or making a seat adjustment?) Somehow try to make the flat feel more like a hill...

  5. #5
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    I have the same problem. I can climb like a goat and also accelerate very quickly, but have a hard time keeping up on the flats. I think for me it could be a combination of me and my 650 wheels - not sure. I have short, bulky legs which I think are more designed for intense, short spurt types of things, but I am training for a century this year and would prefer to have a powerful endurance. I hate not being able to keep up, too!

  6. #6
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    Position, position, position.
    Two days ago, it was windy, I went to this group ride, we had firmed a good paceline from the beginning of the ride all the way to the end, I got 19.5 mph avg. for 48 miles. I have never go this fast for this distance, and yesterday my legs didn't feel a thing, no pain or nothing. I am more a runner than a cyclist, and I always think my legs are too heavy for spinning, the lesson I learned from this ride is position.
    Stay with the paceline position, don't let the gap open. DON'T!
    Hold a relaxing position, don't waste too much energy on your upper body, focus on your padding.
    Most important position is a good bike fitting position, needs to find yourself a right bike.
    After all, practice, practice, practice, with a group that is faster than your PR.
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  7. #7
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    Like Mallio suggests, intervals are good.

    Another strategy (like Runner describes) is to get someone to draft you and get them to ride the whole distance at a slightly higher speed than you are used to.

    Positioning can help - aero bars will increase your speed instantly by 1-2 km per hour

    Basically you need to increase your aerobic fitness (endurance training) and you should also find our where your lactate threshold is, and then once or maybe twice a week (depending on how much training you do) do a ride that puts you right on your lactate threshold.

    Interval training will do this also - and going at or above your body's lactate limit trains your body to function with higher levels of lactate in your system

    There is no easy way - to get faster you have to ride and ride and ride some more.

    Remember that it is easier to increase your speed at lower speeds.

    The faster you want to go, the more wind resistance you meet and the more power you have to output.

    Early improvements are quick and significant... as you get better/ more experienced, your improvements take more time and more effort.


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    "I will try again tomorrow".


 

 

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