Making Left Turns and other questions

[HillSlugger]

Hi,

I've been thinking about bike commuting to work every so often, but I keep fixating on all the difficult parts of the route. In particular, there a left turn I'm not sure how to deal with. The road is two driving lanes and two left turn lanes with a bike shoulder on the right. With the traffic flowing at 40-50 mph I see no way to get across the two lanes and over to the turn lanes. Should I attempt this or would I be better off crossing the intersection on the right and then setting up to go across from the big road on the cross street? If the latter, do I cross in front of the waiting cars and set up on the right to go across, or do I make the right turn onto the cross street and then loop around behind the waiting cars?

Do you generally commute on the road or do you also use sidewalks?

When there's a line of cars waiting at a light and you are going straight do you generally pull up behind the last car or do you ride alongside them on the right up to the light?

Thanks, Nicole

[Veronica]

First Question: Do what is safe. If there is a break in traffic and you can get into the turn lane, get into the turn lane. If you can't get into the turn lane, cross the intersection and then turn left.

Second Question: My commute is road and bike path. In general bikes legally are supposed to be on the road. Use your judgment though. Again, do what is safe. If there are lots of pedestrians, I wouldn't use the sidewalk.

Third Question: Depends. I don't like sitting behind cars. They smell bad! If I can get to the front safely, I go to the front. I want to be at the front before the light changes, so the lead car knows I'm there before they move.

V.

[mimitabby]

I agree with Veronica (good answers, V!)
If it is a really nasty road, i will get to the sidewalk and push the "walk" button
and then either pedal or push my bike across the street.

[KnottedYet]

On big hairy intersections where I know the cars are too fast/too many and too many lanes (4 lanes of traffic would definitely qualify for me!!!) I get off the bike and walk in the cross walks.

I commute on the road. The last time I rode on the sidewalk it was very dark and I didn't feel safe on the road. I went about 6 or 7 mph, and stopped at each cross street. Verrrrrrry carefully.

At a stoplight when there is a line of cars I pull up behind the last car. I get centered in the lane behind that car (my lane, my spot, everyone see me in it!) and stay centered until I'm thru the intersection. Then I'll move back to the right.

(around here in my small-ish part of town cyclists cutting to the front of the line at a stop light is kind of considered rude. Plus, a car or two at the front might be turning right and you don't want to end up next to them and have them turn into you. And if you sneak up on the right the cars you sneak up on might not see you.)

[missymaya]

I agree with Knotted on this one. I have to cross one big intersection to get to work (not taking a left) and I take the lane. There are a lot of cars that turn left (but no left turn lane) so I make myself as visible as possible. I stand up when pedalling, make eye contact, and make sure they know what Im going to do. If your getting in the left lane, make people aware of that. If its just too nasty to get in the left turn lane, I would cross the intersection or use the cross walk. Better safe than sorry!

[Jo-n-NY]

I also agree that you do what you feel is safe. There are also certain intersections that I get off my bike a walk across especially during rush hour. There are also times when I get behind cars while waiting for a red light, but that has taken some practice over the years. These are just my usual rides as I have not begun to commute yet.

~ JoAnn

[Kimmyt]

Like others said, you have to weigh alot of factors along with what you feel comfortable with. On my commute home I have to make a left across 2 lanes of almost standstill traffic. The part where I would have to get into the left lane is so far away from the turn, due to this traffic, that I would be off an on my bike frequently. Also, the part where I would switch lanes is on or right before a large blind hill during which drivers might not be able to see me and could easily hit me. I am not a fan of riding on sidewalks, but here I will do it. I cross at a light that sees no traffic, so that I am usually the only vehicle going through the light, cut through a parking lot of a store, and ride on the sidewalk on the wrong side of the road (it is a narrow walk over a bridge with a cement barrier to my right seperating me from traffic) and then ride the sidewalk up to where I connect to a bike trail.

The other day SEPTA was doing construction and had closed the sidewalk, but I didn't realize this until I was on it and had to walk my bike up against oncoming traffic. It was not a good situation, but the only option I had. Next time I do the commute, I will probably ride on road through traffic and up to a stoplight, where depending on the traffic level, I will probably walk or ride my bike, do a U-turn and then make another left later on.

It is a messy situation, but the way I do it varies depending on traffic levels, road hazards (i.e. the construction), etc.

As to your last question, I do ride alongside them, I just make sure that there is plenty of room so that I don't have to veer into another lane suddenly.

Good luck!

K.

[Offthegrid]

I try my best not to make cars pass me twice. So if I am going straight at a light, I will generally get behind the last car and take the lane. I don't want someone turning right in front of me. Halfway across the intersection, I get to the right again.

As for that road you described, I would probably walk it across. There's one section on my commute that is only one lane each way that I walk across on the way home. (On the way in, it's no problem because there's hardly any traffic there at 6 a.m.)

[susiej]

I try not to pass cars waiting at lights (we have no bike lanes -- that would be different) because I know it's annoying for them to wait behind me, then pass me, only to have to pass me again. Also, drivers around here are very lax with using turn signals. Granted, I'm not usually behind a long line of cars either, nor am I a particulary fast biker. I have done it in the past, but I'm trying to mend my ways.

[RoadRaven]

Hi,

Do you generally commute on the road or do you also use sidewalks?

Its illegal for bikes to use the footpath here, bikes are deemed to be vehicles and are supposed to obey road rules. Of course, a blind eye is turned to kids on bikes.

Having said that, the footpath is a great place at busy intersections.

As for interesctions, if I am in a middle lane, like the other gals here, I get behind the car I pull up behind, and stay in the centre of the lane til I am through the interesction and can move back to the side of the road.

If I am in the lane closest to the footpath and there is room, I bike up between the cars and path til I am parallel with the leading car and get across the intersection before the leading car is even moving.

Its a matter of having a go and finding out what feels right, and whenever in doubt at intersections, hop on the path if you can, or walk your way through it.

[7rider]

Hi,

I've been thinking about bike commuting to work every so often, but I keep fixating on all the difficult parts of the route. In particular, there a left turn I'm not sure how to deal with. The road is two driving lanes and two left turn lanes with a bike shoulder on the right. With the traffic flowing at 40-50 mph I see no way to get across the two lanes and over to the turn lanes. Should I attempt this or would I be better off crossing the intersection on the right and then setting up to go across from the big road on the cross street? If the latter, do I cross in front of the waiting cars and set up on the right to go across, or do I make the right turn onto the cross street and then loop around behind the waiting cars?

Do you generally commute on the road or do you also use sidewalks?

When there's a line of cars waiting at a light and you are going straight do you generally pull up behind the last car or do you ride alongside them on the right up to the light?

Thanks, Nicole

Yay Nicole for pondering the commute!
Here's a table summarizing MD/VA/DC bike laws: http://www.waba.org/areabiking/bikelaws.php
Yes - it is legal to ride on the sidewalk in Montgomery County, MD (but you must yield to pedestrians....DRAT! ). Sometimes, it's the only viable, safe route. My route is a mix of road, path, and sidewalk.
When I have been faced with an intersection such as you described, I've taken the right-side left turn lane (does that make sense?) and went boogying with traffic. I assume your lanes have a left-turn arrow on green? But...I've only done that during non-rush hours. It's a different ballgame during the commute.
If it's difficult to even get to that lane, yeah, I'd get to that cross street and cross with them. Whether I scooted in ahead of them or circled around behind them would really depend on how big the cross street is and how many cars were there. Same with whether or not I take the lane and sit behind the last car or ride up along their right sides. Sometimes, I've done both these things at the same intersection on different occasions, depending on traffic. But, yeah, you've really got to watch the cars when you come up on their sides. People are notoriously BAD about using blinker lights!
It would be good for you to ride the route on the weekend so you can see how it might all flow. Plus, it gives you a chance to scope out alternative routes.
Good luck. Have you registered for BTW day or would you just do it on your own? I don't know if there's a pit-stop near where you work.
Regina

[HillSlugger]

Yay Nicole for pondering the commute!

Here's a table summarizing MD/VA/DC bike laws: http://www.waba.org/areabiking/bikelaws.php

Good luck. Have you registered for BTW day or would you just do it on your own? I don't know if there's a pit-stop near where you work.
Regina

Thanks for the link

I didn't see any pitstops near me, so I'd do it on my own.

[divingbiker]

Nicole, I'm glad to hear you're still thinking of ways to commute on your bike. I'll add my 2 cents.

I don't line up behind cars, because around here I am not at all confident that all the cell-phone-talking, McDonalds-eating, makeup-applying idiots are paying enough attention to see me, and I don't want to get crushed between two cars. So I just ride up alongside them on the right and wait at a light to make sure the first car is going straight, or wait for them if they're turning. I've never seen anyone on a bike wait behind the line of traffic at a light, now that I think of it.

I think what annoys car drivers most is bikers riding in the traffic lane but not going the speed of traffic, so I always stay as far to the right as I safely can. I know there are many people who say "take the lane," but each of us has to evaluate our own traffic situation and do what is safe.

At a complicated intersection, I seldom dismount and walk across, but I do ride across one way and wait for the light to change and then cross the other street, because it just doesn't feel safe to be in the left turn lane with impatient drivers.

Hope you can find a way to make it work.

[HillSlugger]

What do you think about riding on the bike shoulder against traffic for a long block? I think it will simplify this tricky corner. On the correct side of this road there's no crosswalk for the side street while there is on the other side.

[tangentgirl]

What do you think about riding on the bike shoulder against traffic for a long block? I think it will simplify this tricky corner. On the correct side of this road there's no crosswalk for the side street while there is on the other side.

What do you do if there's another cyclist coming at you - along with a bunch of traffic? Also, I imagine you could probably get a ticket for riding on the wrong side of the road. I know that, in some places, bicycle tickets are the same as car tickets. Same fines, same ding on your insurance, all that jazz.