Pannier Help!

[OakLeaf]

From Sheldon Brown:

Braze-on
A small fitting permanently attached to a frame. On traditional steel frames these attachments are held on by brazing, but the term "braze-on" is also used for fittings that are welded, glued, rivetted or moulded on to frames of other materials. Typical braze-ons would include cable stops and guides, water bottle cage mounts, shift lever bosses, cantilever brake bosses and cable stops, pump pegs, etc.

[uforgot]

There you go! Get the Surly! I have one and love it and I got it because I couldn't figure out the whole touring thing on my road bike. After that we'll talk you into a mixte. You can never have too many bikes!

[BeeLady]

A Tubis rack http://www.thetouringstore.com/ is a very lightweight rack. The "Fly" weighs almost nothing and is not very noticeable on the bike. My Ortlieb panniers fit it well and just clip on and off one-handed http://www.ortliebusa.com/

I leave my rack on my Volpe. And as far as a Surly goes . . . I am in love with my Big DummY!!!!!

[sundial]

Pssst, Fly......if you get a Big Dummy, I can hitch a ride and photograph your next ride. I'll be the Dude Girl and handle all your necessities.

[teawoman]

I've seen folks ride plenty speedy with a(n empty) rack on the back of their bike. Looks Fred to those who care, but....well...there it is.

What's Fred?

[KnottedYet]

What's Fred?

Unfashionable utilitarian cyclist. Generally able to ride the pants off the fashionable racer-wannabee cyclists.

Curmudgeons with legs of steel (and generally older bikes of steel, too).


Flybye - a SURLY! oooohhhoOOOHHH! [get it, you know you want to] I am incredibly happy with my Surly Cross Check.

[Flybye]

Here is the link to the Surly.

http://eastidaho.craigslist.org/bik/675805685.html

DH didn't say "no" but he sure rolled his eyes and laughed! He asked what I would do with my Specialized to which I said "get another bike to keep it company while the Surly and I are out doing our thing!"

Oakleaf - shoulda thought about Sheldon. I actually googled the term and came up with something a little wacko.

Sundial- We'd make a great Bonnie and Clyde! You can't expect me to do all of the work though!! Big Dummy my stinkin' .......................


Bee lady - I'll check out the tubis rack!

[KnottedYet]

Hmmm, that's my size.....
(kidding! actually I ride a 52cm)

Price isn't bad, and with new wheelset, pretty cool. LHT have the cute extra spoke holders on the chainstay.

If I ever buy another Surly, it'll probably be a LHT. (but I have 4 steel bikes right now, so it might be a while!)

[Harley]

Similar problem with not wanting to stuff stuff into back pockets and hating fanny packs and live in the mountains with changeable weather...

I just bought a small handlebar bag, attaches with 2 velcro straps; big enough for granola bars, glove liners, leg warmers, earband, phone, journal and binocs. (i like to stop and look at birds, wildlife, flowers) My windbreaker has zip sleeves, but rolls small in the back pocket if not in use. If it's really chilly a Wool Ibex rolls very small also, but this time of year is usually under my jersey... The bag is soft, nothing fancy, is black (although it did come in pink), not heavy and fits nicely on the Bianchi's C2C's handlebars. My seat bag holds spare tube, pump, small first aid kit, tools, ID & $$ for after/during ride coffee. I'm good for all day 20 or 100 miles.

keep it simple, don't put a rack on that beautiful bike.

[sundial]

Sundial- We'd make a great Bonnie and Clyde! You can't expect me to do all of the work though!! Big Dummy my stinkin' .......................

You're stronger than you think.

[Skierchickie]

Unfashionable utilitarian cyclist. Generally able to ride the pants off the fashionable racer-wannabee cyclists.

Curmudgeons with legs of steel (and generally older bikes of steel, too).


Flybye - a SURLY! oooohhhoOOOHHH! [get it, you know you want to] I am incredibly happy with my Surly Cross Check.

Well now I'm all confused. For some reason I thought the Fred was the fashionable racer-wannabee. Like DH & me, on our Trek 5200s with the USPS paint jobs. Especially DH on that bike with his Discovery jersey & shorts. Worse yet, on his Trek Team Time Trial! How could I have gone so wrong? Turns out it's my Dad! Who is probably out riding in blue jeans at this very moment.

[KnottedYet]

i think it's being used both ways these days. "Fred" (so the urban legend goes) was an old guy in a bike club who rode old stuff, a curmudgeon, etc.

The original Freds probably started calling the poseurs Freds in retaliation for them being called Freds.

Around here I hear "Freds" (curmudgeons) and "Poseurs" (wannabes). I've read "Fred" to mean the all-dolled-up poseur types a couple times, but haven't heard a real-live person say it that way yet.

Now I wanna find out if it's a regional thing. Off to wikipedia I go!

Glossary links: this one has both usages http://www.bicyclesource.com/bicycling_glossary
And here's what I found at Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_%28bicycling%29 Wikipedia has a ton of info, and even talks about how the meaning of the term "Fred" has changed over time and the regional distribution.

Cool!

[7rider]

"Fred" - any cyclist who is not like you to make yourself feel better about your cycling.

If you are on a carbon race machine, a Fred could be an unfashionable utilitarian cyclist in street clothes with a rubber band around his pant legs. Or, a Fred could be someone in a full pro kit on a carbon race machine who rides a bike path at 10 mph.
If are on a lugged steel touring bike, a Fred could be anyone else on a bike.

Generally....a Fred could be anyone you'd say "Omigawd...I'd never be caught wearing/doing/riding THAT!"

[KnottedYet]

If are on a lugged steel touring bike, a Fred could be anyone else on a bike.

When I'm on my lugged steel bikes, I consider *myself* the Fred.

Knot-is-definitely-a-curmudgeon-cyclist-and-not-ashamed-to-admit-it

[Skierchickie]

Thanks for the explanation! Wow - I can be a Fred, while at the same time holding others in disdain for being Freds? COOL! Yes, I know the disdain thing isn't good, but it seems like the whole Fred concept is designed just for that purpose. Okay, I'm a Fred (although I don't ride bike paths - we only have one, and it isn't near me - and I try my darnedest not to ride 10mph unless it's a steep hill).

I think I'm gonna go hike my pants up under my armpits (picture Fred Mertz) and lie down to ease my muddled brain......