Should I start rightoff with clipless or start with cages??

[mimitabby]

Lisa, although i agree with a lot of what mr Riv. says; here's where I seriously disagree. If you regularly go on rides of over 50 miles, the unnatural pressure on the middle part of your foot is going to take its toll. if you have a stiff sole on the shoe, it is protecting your foot from that.
I wore regular running shoes for my first day of spinning class. I was able to move my feet around on the pedals; but when pedalling you really don;t move much and my feet were sore when i was done. Switched back to the bike shoes... tons better.

But to the original poster and the rest of you; i'm not saying she should start riding with cages for a few months; i just meant the first few rides on the bike. If she's courageous and coordinated like many of you are; starting clipless should be fine for her. But for some of us, that would really be impossible.
Good luck, you know who you are.

[SadieKate]

From the Riv article: If you want to train a dog to come, you don't keep him (or in my case her) on a leash.

Huh? What school of dog training did he go to? I can hear the lessons now.

Rover! Come! Come Rover! Rover ! ROVER!
ROVER, COME! COME! . . . etc., etc., etc., ad nausem.

If one doesn't need clipless why do my shins turn to bloody pulp every time I ride without?

[BleeckerSt_Girl]

If one doesn't need clipless why do my shins turn to bloody pulp everytime I ride without?

Holy cow, why on earth would they turn to bloody pulp?!? My shins are just fine without clipless. Please explain! People have been riding bikes for generations without clipless and without bloody pulp shins, if I'm not mistaken.
Hmm...I think dogs can be trained to come without a leash. I've done it since I was a kid with quite a few dogs, using treats and lots of praise.

Mimi- I totally agree that shoes with stiff soles are more comfortable than soft soled sneakers for long rides. In fact, I just bought some nice stiff-soled hiking shoes this week and can't wait to ride my bike in them (and go hiking too!).

[Blueberry]

I can't answer for SK - only myself

I ride spd's generally, but have one pair that are flat on one side for store runs, etc. I have apparently trained myself to pedal circles. When I pull up and I'm not clipped in, foot flies off of pedal - the other foot is still pushing down, so the crank is still rotating, and all of a sudden I have a large pedal gash in my shin

I don't know if I'd have the same problem with cages/power grips. I'm happy enough with clipless I haven't felt the need to try them out. To each her own...

[SadieKate]

Because I lift my feet off the pedals expecting the pedal to come with the foot. The crank then spins around and hits my shin. What, your BB brackets don't spin? I hate not being able to rotate a crank back ward when stopped at an intersection without sticking my foot under the pedal to lift it. Plus, I'll lift a bit overenthusiasticly and send the crank spinning into my shin -- expecting it to stop when my foot stops.

Yes, people have been riding for generations without clipless but 100 years ago they didn't switch back and forth. It's just easier to stick with one way.

As for dog training, a long leash or light rope teaches them faster. Treats and praise are great rewards, but you can't give a correction by waving a treat at them. You always want a dog to think a leash is attached no matter whether one is or not.

[SadieKate]

I can't answer for SK - only myself

I ride spd's generally, but have one pair that are flat on one side for store runs, etc. I have apparently trained myself to pedal circles. When I pull up and I'm not clipped in, foot flies off of pedal - the other foot is still pushing down, so the crank is still rotating, and all of a sudden I have a large pedal gash in my shin

Yep, exactly.

[Flybye]

I vote for clipless. Love them and I just started with them this spring.

[BleeckerSt_Girl]

Because I lift my feet off the pedals expecting the pedal to come with the foot. The crank then spins around and hits my shin. What, your BB brackets don't spin? I hate not being able to rotate a crank back ward when stopped at an intersection without sticking my foot under the pedal to lift it. Plus, I'll lift a bit overenthusiasticly and send the crank spinning into my shin -- expecting it to stop when my foot stops.

I see- it's from habit then, expecting the pedal to come up when you pull hard on it.
I suppose that would be an issue if you are mostly riding clipless and then take a plain platform ride on rare occasion.
With both cages and Powergrip straps, you have straps running over the top of your feet, your foot is "in" the strap and thus when you pull your foot up the pedal comes up along with it- you CAN pull up on the upstroke. Also, you CAN easily pull your pedal backwards and around into a good position while keeping your foot "in" at a stop light or intersection. It's really not that terribly different from the clipless concept, just a bit more play to work with if you have the cages or straps loosely adjusted. They can be adjusted pretty tight if you want. I keep my straps fairly snug. They also keep my foot from slipping off the pedal if it's wet out- pedals get quite slippery when wet. I love my straps.

Yes, people have been riding for generations without clipless but 100 years ago they didn't switch back and forth. It's just easier to stick with one way.

Some people switch bikes all the time with no problem- they keep a clipless bike for road riding and a plain platform pedal bikes for errands, and they use both bikes several times a week. Just saying.

As for dog training, a long leash or light rope teaches them faster. Treats and praise are great rewards, but you can't give a correction by waving a treat at them. You always want a dog to think a leash is attached no matter whether one is or not.

Indeed, one wouldn't give a correction by waving a treat! (-unless one was playing with less than a full deck) I think there are lots of various successful dog training methods out there. Probably using a long lead can help a great deal, but some things can be taught off leash too. I'm sure you are good at training dogs.

[SadieKate]

Some people switch bikes all the time with no problem- they keep a clipless bike for road riding and a plain platform pedal bikes for errands, and they use both bikes several times a week. Just saying.

Just saying that some people mountainbike when ingrained habits can save their tookas. Sometimes they purposely actually pedal backwards or ratchet the pedals.

Yeah, yeah, some people ride clipless when mountainbiking but, once again, they tend to do it consistently.

[DirtDiva]

Cages? Don't do it! Personally, I'd go straight for the clipless pedals, but I'm the sort that prefers to just jump right in - I think it's a (lack of) patience thing. If that thought really is too scary, then try nasty, shin-eating, power-gobbling flats (gee, I guess I have an opinion about those... ) for a little while first.

[VeloVT]

Ok, I clearly have an unpopular view here . When I got my road bike about 18 months ago, it was the first time I'd ridden a bike since I was about 10. I was timid and nervous. I left the cheap test cages on for about a month, then decided to get clipless pedals. While I definitely learned to use them ! I really got them too soon, I still lacked confidence in my riding skills in general, and the pedals added a huge amount of anxiety for another month or so. It's all sort of a wash in the end, because you eventually learn to swim if you're tossed into a lake, and I certainly did. However, I think I would have had a few months that were less anxious in the beginning had I waited a bit longer to transition to clipless.

That's just me, and I think I was an extreme case in terms of how unnatural biking felt when I first got my bike. I should add that 18 months later, I'm very confident and clipless pedals are completely natural. I've test-ridden bikes recently, and I find when they put cages on them, I miss my clipless pedals but I'm fine, and when they put flats on them, it drives me absolutely crazy.

I have to say, I've read several threads here where people discuss how dangerous and frightening and unnatural cages are, and each time I just can't understand. I'm not the world's most coordinated person and as I've said, when I first got my bike I was scared to death of it, but from the beginning I never had a bit of trouble with cages. My only complaint is it's a little bit of a pain to have to turn them over when starting at intersections -- but even that is just a nuisance, not something that is difficult. (That said, I'm sure happy to have clipless pedals and not have to tolerate that nuisance).

So, I would say, don't feel like you HAVE to get clipless pedals instantly; ride your bike for a week and gauge your comfort level, then decide. And try not to feel pressured, even then, if you're not totally comfortable.

[KnottedYet]

I rode in cages for about 20 years, then switched to clipless. Now I have one clipless bike and one platform bike.

Here's what I'd suggest: If you are familiar and comfortable with cages, use cages for a while. If you are familiar and comfortable with platforms, use platforms for a while.

Use that time to observe how you pedal on the new bike. Research pedal options during that time. What kinds of pedal systems appeal to you? Do you have any knee or hip or foot issues that should be considered in the decision? How do you feel on the bike, and what do you feel is lacking/not quite perfect in the pedals? Maybe nothing is lacking. Maybe a lot is lacking and that will direct you to your next step. (unless you love what is on the bike... could happen)

Look at it as a research opportunity.

And if it turns out that the clipless pedals you already bought don't meet your needs, sell them and buy what works for you. Make your bike perfect for *you*.

[aka_kim]

Ok, I clearly have an unpopular view here . When I got my road bike about 18 months ago, it was the first time I'd ridden a bike since I was about 10. I was timid and nervous. I left the cheap test cages on for about a month, then decided to get clipless pedals. While I definitely learned to use them ! I really got them too soon, I still lacked confidence in my riding skills in general, and the pedals added a huge amount of anxiety for another month or so. It's all sort of a wash in the end, because you eventually learn to swim if you're tossed into a lake, and I certainly did. However, I think I would have had a few months that were less anxious in the beginning had I waited a bit longer to transition to clipless.

That's just me, and I think I was an extreme case in terms of how unnatural biking felt when I first got my bike. I should add that 18 months later, I'm very confident and clipless pedals are completely natural. I've test-ridden bikes recently, and I find when they put cages on them, I miss my clipless pedals but I'm fine, and when they put flats on them, it drives me absolutely crazy.

I have to say, I've read several threads here where people discuss how dangerous and frightening and unnatural cages are, and each time I just can't understand. I'm not the world's most coordinated person and as I've said, when I first got my bike I was scared to death of it, but from the beginning I never had a bit of trouble with cages. My only complaint is it's a little bit of a pain to have to turn them over when starting at intersections -- but even that is just a nuisance, not something that is difficult. (That said, I'm sure happy to have clipless pedals and not have to tolerate that nuisance).

So, I would say, don't feel like you HAVE to get clipless pedals instantly; ride your bike for a week and gauge your comfort level, then decide. And try not to feel pressured, even then, if you're not totally comfortable.

+1. When I first started cycling, EVERYTHING was new and required concentration; if my feet had been locked to the pedals it would have been too much. After a couple hundred miles I switched to cages, which I used for several years without any problem. For some reason, I found it natural to pull my foot back off the pedal (and still do not find kicking out my heel quite as natural). I now happily use clipless only on all my bikes and can't imagine going back to either platform or cages. So, I agree, do what you're comfortable with.

[jobob]

I'm with Kim & Liza. I took my dear sweet time transitioning to clipless - started out with platforms, then cages, then PowerGrips, then clipless. I think it took me about 6 months or so.

[ninerfan]

I just switched to my first set of clipless pedals last week after 2 mos of cage riding on my very first road bike and I LOVE them! However, this really seems to come down to each individual person. I know that when I bought my bike a couple of months ago, I didn't even consider taking off the cages for clipless pedals because I was inexperienced and under the impression that an amateur like me didn't really need them. Let me just say though, that after the first week of riding, I HATED the cages with a passion.

I hated the constant reaching down to tighten and loosen, and never felt that I was being especially efficient on my rides. I haven't found it so far to be difficult at all to adjust to the pedals and remember to unclip before coming to a stop. For some reason, my brain is hyper sensative to the pedals and so far I have remembered to unclip everytime. Perhaps it's all of the painful cautionary tales that I have read here that help me remember!

Anyway, just go with your gut. I don't think I have been affected by not starting with clipless right away, so if you give the cages a shot and then move on, you really haven't lost anything in my opinion. At least then you will be sure about the move from the cages to clipless. Good luck!