I don't know where I got the word "bars" from, but yes. So the new ones are safe? But not "professsional?"(as I picked up in the other post?

I really miss using the position on the upper bar of my drops, but I used to use ONLY those while a teenager. And I am scared to put my hands anywhere near them, cuz I will use them if they are there. I probably should just saw them off?

BTW, I want a kickstand on my bike. I don't care how "dorky" it is. However, I would like one that supports the bike stabily. I had lots of trouble with packing my groceries onto the Schwinn, The lean became too much, and the bike would topple. I suppose touring bikes must use something... One place I lock up at, there is nothing to lock up to, except a log "bumper" to stop cars from going over the edge, and into the river. There are places down on the dock, but I think it is rude to park ny bike down there, and take up space on the dock.

Mary