Yeah I saw that!! Whatever!!!!!!!!! I say that chick is ungodly fast compared to "normal" people. 18-22 mph average in mountains??? Whatever!!!!! Maybe we seem slow in comparison to her, but we also seem slow in comparison to TDF riders- and I for some reason don't really compare myself to them ;-) I thought the whole original post that started the controversy was pretty belittling. That's be like me saying it's [usually!] very easy for me to ride 100 miles or more, and no big deal to ride 200 miles, so all you people who can only go 25 just suck and aren't trying. But if that's what makes you happy...I don't say that, don't think that, feel like everyone has potential, perhaps untapped, feel like there is no "end" to how much better we can get- but everyone improves at different rates, and that's fine! Geez, look at me, riding with the 14 mph if they're lucky group, for 30ish mile rides on Saturdays. Yeah, maybe (well for sure) I'd benefit more from going 80 miles at a 16 mph average speed, or riding with the B riders with an average of 18-20 (and then dying afterwards) but I'm not into that, and if I want to plod along at 13 or 14 or 15 mph- well, I bet I have plenty of company, I would say, in fact, the majority of us like/ride at/are comfortable at/are happy with that speed.