Quote Originally Posted by caligurl
uhm..... ok..... so when i was a newbie.... i guess i crawled.... and i guess i'm still slow! there are days i'm lucky to hit 13 mph! i just checked bike journal... and a LOT of my first rides were... 9..... 10..... 11 mph! so i don't know about most newbies... but this newbie who's been riding for 2 years... doesn't think it's all that slow!

now granted... there is NOTHING that is flat around here... so no matter where i go... i have some climbing to do to get back home... although not steep... but definitely NOT flat! add wind to that (it's ALWAYS windy in the desert!) i just really touchy when people start talking about speeds being slow... cuz we're not all fast! i'm an endurance rider... but i'm slow about it.... others prefer shorter distances at faster paces....

sure... on my route out... i can get going fast... but once i turn around... i can watch that average speed guage drop and drop and drop....
You are right.

And speeds can be relative.

In Texas... where it's flat as can be... most of the newbie riders I ride with (example: got thier bikes 1 week ago and have ridden it twice)... can do a 13 mph average.

Now, that's just the groups I ride with.

I will never take judgement on someone's speed... because let's face it... if you ride with hills... you might be lucky to keep a 13 mph average!

So, I didn't mean to offend with my statement. I was just thinking about the situations I have been in with new riders. Which of course does not apply to ALL situations.