That's the problem -- the bikes are in shops 120 miles apart, and I had to ride them a week apart! I don't *remember* any major differences. I told the guy at my LBS that after I rode the Ruby I thought it was "the one," but after I rode the Orbea, it thought IT was "the one." Then, went back to the first store and rode the Ruby again and totally confused myself. LBS says it sounds like either would work, and can get either for me. The one difference I recall is that the Ruby has shims on brake levers,which was a tad more comfortable for me, and the Orbea does not. I'm also thinking that the full-carbon frame of the Ruby will be more forgiving of bumps for this aging body of mine.

KB