Quillfred, I first ordered the men's B17 Champion because I was concerned about my thigh rubbing. The B17 hurt my soft tissue. I ended up with the Team Pro S, same width as the B17 men's but wider in the soft tissue area. I set the saddle up the way that Brooks recommends and I have minimal soft tissue pain (compared to all the other saddles I tried!).

The team pro was recommended for riders that spend time in the drops. My handlebar is about 2 inches below my saddle height.

I ended up ordering from Bill at wallingford bicycles. I don't know the web address. They have a 6 mos return policy. I returned the B17 and was refunded pretty quickly. Plus, Bill answered every question I had. excellant customer service, clearly he has a passion for cycling and wants you to ride whatever saddle works for you.

I hope this helps!

massbike--thanks for the advice, I think I will just stick with the proofhide and be safe and sure.