Bib shorts with zippers??

[pll]

As with any chamois, everyone has different views on their relative comfort. A couple of years ago I tried some Gore Bike Wear knickers (not bibs) and the chamois was terrible for me, which I mentioned in this forum. I currently have a pair of Assos bib-knickers but since I moved to DC I have not used them much -- I go from shorts and knee warmers to long tights. Somehow, in the Chicago area, I found the knickers more versatile.

Assos has some knickers (not bibs), as do Giro and Giordana. Check Competitive Cyclist. I am currently on a Ten Speed Hero "binge", having been at the point of needing to renew my stock of shorts. They have bib knickers -- I love their bib shorts. The chamois is on the thin side, the fabrics have some heft to them. . I always use a base layer, so removing the jersey (always full zip) does not bother me as much.

Re Rapha, one of my team mates is not pleased with the fit and chamois. I was considering ordering from them for a while, but then I found TSH (plus the photography in the TSH site is very nice... the owners are all designers or photographers in Chicago. And they sponsor a couple of female cyclists.

[Crankin]

NY, I just read an article about new women's bibs coming out, maybe in the winter? I cannot for the life of me remember which brand, but there was a Bicycling article on Facebook about testing them out. I think they had the halter style, so you could easily take the top down. I want to say maybe they are Shebeest or Sugoi, but I will try to look back and find the article. After reading it, it made me consider bibs.

ETA: Here's the link to what I think is the article:
http://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear/...-gear-you-need

[ny biker]

Pll, I remember that post about the Gore knickers. And I tried on some of their shorts and tights several years ago which seemed to have the same what-where-they-thinking chamois. But they've made significant changes since then. The chamois in the current Oxygen shorts is great. (I just hope they don't change it again and ruin it, though I've got three pairs now just in case.)

I tried on the bib knickers again and I think I am too tall for them. I'm 5'7" -- not that tall but not short either. They're a size M, but there's nothing on the size chart to help you figure out the if you'll be too tall for the bibs or not. Otherwise they fit fine, and I sat on my bike here in my living room and pedaled backwards to get a sense of how they might feel while riding, and the chamois shape and thickness seemed okay. So I'll order the regular non-bib version. I wish I could get them from TE, but at least I can support an LBS that's not too far from here and has a good reputation.

Thanks!!