Quote Originally Posted by pll View Post
Here's a different issue on winter tights: I have both an older version of the Sugoi firewall and the Pearl Izumi Amfibs (neither one has a chamois). The thicker fleece and wind proof material cause enough pressure on my patellas that it becomes painful fast. I also tried the Assos LL.uma S5 and I could tell it would be trouble on my knees within minutes. A couple of knickers I have (Shebeest and Assos), without windblock, will also lead to patella pain, just not as fast. What works best to avoid the pain is to have tights that are a size bigger than what you normally would wear. I stay away from the windblock fabrics because they are less pliable. Instead, I apply some vaseline on my knees before putting the tights on.

One of my friends has the same problem with her knees, and she also wears tights that are a size bigger than normal. I wonder who else has experienced this.
I've noted this with my Sugoui MidZero tights (no chamois), but my knees are much happier with my Amfibs. That being said, my Amfibs do have a looser fit in my legs than the Sugoui tights do. Not having the chamois does give us different size options for sure. I've a small in both pairs of tights, but they fit quite differently.