You know, generally Ibex bottoms don't fit me that well. They are made for tall people with boyish figures (I once tried on a pair at the Arcadian Shop in Lenox, MA while on a TE field trip. That had me laughing quite hard, as I couldn't get them over my knees. And they were a size bigger than I normally wear). The Ibex pants I have are old; bought in 2005 for me by DH. Probably ordered from STP. THe elastic is totally out of the waist and they are getting pilly. But, I don't think these are made anymore.