Ummm, well, knickers is the other thing I'm thinking about. But not really tight, lycra pants, but capri pants with bike shorts inside. So I don't know if those are even called knickers. I just want something that doesn't look like I'm wearing ...well...bike shorts. For when I ride "to" somewhere and then am walking around with non-biking types. I got some mtb shorts that worked well on my 18 mi ride last Friday. They'll do for summer. Looking for something for cooler weather, though.