I think calling the Bontrager saddle a torture device is putting it mildly. Yes it's miserable and the arse and bits are unhappy, however I'm going to put up with it until that 90 maintenance check-up when I get the clipless pedals put on. The saddle on the hybrid wasn't much better. It's hard for me to justify spending any more money right now. I spent a little more money than I was planning on - I didn't expect to walk out of the LBS with a Pilot 2.1

Trek makes such beautiful bikes with quality components - why do they feel a need to torture us with crappy saddles? Ugh!

After I hit the wind from the south this morning, my mind was more on pushing through the wind than on how much my arse hurt.