When paceline pullers don't point out road hazards...

[thekarens]

Wow, glad you survived.

I ride with the new riders and we never ride paceline, but everyone is always instructed before each ride to call out/point out hazards to the riders behind them.

[Trek420]

Wow. I think she owes you both a bike, and a beer, and an apology.

[OakLeaf]

Hoo, boy. Glad you're not hurt worse. There are riders I won't ride behind, and groups I won't ride with, for similar reasons. You can talk to them all you like and it's like it doesn't apply to them. Heal up quick.

[zoom-zoom]

Hoo, boy. Glad you're not hurt worse. There are riders I won't ride behind, and groups I won't ride with, for similar reasons. You can talk to them all you like and it's like it doesn't apply to them. Heal up quick.

You know, I have to wonder how many other accidents she's caused in her decades of riding? I've not failed to mention her name to people when they ask about the big road rash on my left leg and shoulder. If she were a drunk driver I'd name names, too. Her actions are really no less risky.

[zoom-zoom]

Wow. I think she owes you both a bike, and a beer, and an apology.

She actually had the nerve to tell my friend that it "isn't really all that expensive to replace a frame." Can you believe that sh!t?!

[smilingcat]

She actually had the nerve to tell my friend that it "isn't really all that expensive to replace a frame." Can you believe that sh!t?!

Tell the idiot that she has dug a pretty deep hole and if she keeps up this arrogant attitutde, she's gonna get sued!! I would and cause some inconvenience for the idiot!!

[zoom-zoom]

Tell the idiot that she has dug a pretty deep hole and if she keeps up this arrogant attitutde, she's gonna get sued!! I would and cause some inconvenience for the idiot!!

I wonder how far riders in our situation could even get with a suit. We definitely have witnesses who stated at the time that they didn't see her point at the hose. And she even said "oh, I was so far ahead that maybe the next person didn't see me point." What was she doing so far ahead that she had dropped the rest of the paceline?!

[zoom-zoom]

I honestly think you guys need to get together and politely 'disinvite' her from this group. There is no reason you shouldn't be able to ride. Have a spokesperson who is very diplomatic talk for everyone, either by email or in person.

She shouldn't be allowed to do this to anyone else. But I think all the reasons you mentioned should be pointed out to her. Both the history and the recent crash. Because maybe that will keep her from doing it in the future.

JMTC.

Hell, give me her email. I'll do it.

Ha, it's tempting!

Actually this thought had crossed my mind. One of DH's co-workers will sometimes ride with us and she's quite un-fond of this woman, as well (I suspect most of us don't like her, but have never before been in a position to discuss it). I think the biggest issue we'd run into is that she's pretty chummy with the group leader. At this point I think simply not riding with the group is a better course of action. There are so many rides all week around here that it's no challenge to find a substitute ride.

[Owlie]

She actually had the nerve to tell my friend that it "isn't really all that expensive to replace a frame." Can you believe that sh!t?!

I saw your FB post and the bruise pictures. OUCH.

And this cherry on top? I'd find a new group too. Or, since most of the rest of you get along, find a new starting point and, uh, forget to tell her.

[smilingcat]

Reading about the crash is making me super angry too!! It's not just the arrogant out of control rider but the leader too. Both don't deserve to be riding in a pace line. They need serious instruction in riding in a pace line.

I'm really sorry to hear about the accident and to the other woman whose bike was totaled. I'm sure the arrogant one is not offering to pay for the damages or offer some sort of financial assistance.

The group doesn't need any new riders. They need to be on their own!! Hope it wasn't a racing club. Hate to see them in a crit or in a classic.

Heal fast to both of you! Your husband should get after the woman's husband!! And the leader's husband as well!!!

[zoom-zoom]

Hope it wasn't a racing club. Hate to see them in a crit or in a classic.

Nope, just a casual group. Most of these women don't ride competitively. The group is generally more into doing tours and centuries.

[Skippyak]

Nope, just a casual group. Most of these women don't ride competitively. The group is generally more into doing tours and centuries.

So why an aggressive pace line where riders don't watch out for their own hazards? Casual group and paceline don't seem to go together at all. How many other riders passed the hazard if you were at the back and the rider in front of you were the casualties? I don't ride anyone's wheel in casual ride. I really don't even know how to, in fact the last but one shop ride had the fast group led by a chick who was teaching us paceline stuff but even then a girl was riding in her clip on aeros in the line and the slow rider meant no one was really riding hard. This chick did tell us that you point out road hazards when at all possible but it was our own responsibility to watch out, it being a casual ride and not a real paceline.

[Crankin]

Well, I have personal experience with 2 racers (one a pro) and both point out road hazards.
Last week, I had the unpleasurable experience of driving by a large group of riders that are part of the group I ride with on Wednesdays when I can. This group is more casual, slower, but has experienced riders, and often the faster people join them to socialize on Mondays. There is one man, who as long as I have known him just weaves everywhere. He is a terrible rider. Passing him, in a car, going up a hill was scary for me. The next week, when I went to the regular Wednesday ride, I told the ride coordinator and she took immediate action, in that I heard her discussing this with someone else. He is going to be banned from riding with the group.

[zoom-zoom]

We have one like this, Crankin. But the group I ride with on base is so casual, there is no ride leader, and no one is willing to talk to her. She is not usually there, but she was yesterday, and I stayed well away. But it was difficult.

This sounds similar to the group I've ridden with. There is a leader, but she's not particularly assertive...she is also chummy with the hammerhead woman who was pulling.

So the plot thickens. Immediately after the crash everyone was saying that they didn't see the debris to point it out until after they were passing it. Suddenly now the ride leader (who was behind the puller) is claiming that the puller pointed it out, as did she. There's some major butt-covering and buck-passing going on here. The ride leader even suggested that the newest rider in the group must have been the one who failed to point it out. Right...when in doubt shift blame to the person least able to defend themselves.

So, yeah, I'm done with this ride. It's not an environment I am eager to put myself into.