Obesity and addiction

[GLC1968]

I have found that multi layered goals are effective. Have a goal I know I can reach, have one that is a bit of a reach and then have one that is a stretch but that really motivates me and even scares me a little. Then, for each level, create two goals. One that is clear and measurable and one that is slightly more subjective.

While I think that having a defined time frame is important ( i.e. a point at which to do an eval of your progress), having specific parameters to meet is less critical. I mean, the point of goals is to make improvements, so if the goals you are making don't work for you, then there is no reason for making them. Everyone is motivated differently, so not all goals can be structured the same way.

[GLC1968]

Oh and goals should be both performance and outcome based. For example, one should be something you have control over (attending spin class twice a week for all of May), and one should be more outcome related (lose 4 lbs of body fat or bench press 100 lbs). By including both, even if your outcome falls short, you can still feel accomplished about making the performance goal.

[Wahine]

Oh and goals should be both performance and outcome based. For example, one should be something you have control over (attending spin class twice a week for all of May), and one should be more outcome related (lose 4 lbs of body fat or bench press 100 lbs). By including both, even if your outcome falls short, you can still feel accomplished about making the performance goal.

I really like this. I never thought of categorizing the goals this way and I think it would work really well for a lot of my clients.

[limewave]

This weekend I traveled alone and met up with some friends. I sat by a stranger on the train. At one point I pulled out a snack and was munching away. She made the comment how she can't eat between meals or she gains too much weight, "I'm not naturally thin like you are."

If she only knew . . .

I ate way too much over the weekend! We went to the Chocolate Bar at The Peninsula (I highly recommend this!!!) and had a bucket of Beignets at The Grand Luxe. It was nice to have some special treats that I would never allow myself to have at home I plan on doing a 2-day cleanse--nothing but whole foods and green smoothies. After I eat like I did over the weekend, my old habits and addictions are strong. Putting myself on a cleanse helps my body flush the toxins and then I will start naturally craving healthier foods again.

[beccaB]

I either read or heard about a theory that people have some "cave-man" type habits that have not evolved out of us yet. Back in the day when food was sometimes hard to come by, people would eat a lot to get their fill because it might not be there tomorrow. I can equate that with having teenagers in the house. If I don't eat that ice cream now, it won't be there tomorrow. Did I need that ice cream, or was I even really hungry? Likely not. But at least I got some and there will be less for those pesky teenagers! I think this would explain a lot of overeating habits, although obesity is far more complicated than just that.

[OakLeaf]

That's one thing that my mom's nutritionist recommended to her, and she feels that it's worked. It was issues from her childhood much more than evolutionary stuff - but she had it in her subconscious that she might never get chocolate again. Now, she allows herself one piece every day. Her psyche is assured of a continuous supply. And she doesn't binge on it like she used to.

[GLC1968]

I had similar competition for food when I was growing up, too. Between my bottomless pit of a brother and a father who could eat his own bodyweight in food multiple times a day (ok, not quite, but I think he certainly enjoyed trying!), I also felt like I had to 'compete' for food. I never really thought of that but I would bet that's how my habit of hiding food started. I know I definitely used to hide my Halloween candy from my little brother!

Interesting.

[beccaB]

I have to hide certain food products. It's like living in a dorm here!

[Wahine]

I either read or heard about a theory that people have some "cave-man" type habits that have not evolved out of us yet. Back in the day when food was sometimes hard to come by, people would eat a lot to get their fill because it might not be there tomorrow. I can equate that with having teenagers in the house. If I don't eat that ice cream now, it won't be there tomorrow. Did I need that ice cream, or was I even really hungry? Likely not. But at least I got some and there will be less for those pesky teenagers! I think this would explain a lot of overeating habits, although obesity is far more complicated than just that.

It's also been theorized that this is why we tend to gravitate toward food laden with fat and sugar, it was where you got your most calories and quickly stored energy in a system where there may not be food tomorrow.

I definitely have some "resource guarding" issues. That's what they call it when dogs are overly protective of food/toys. It comes from being in a family of 5 kids where if you didn't eat fast enough, you didn't get seconds. Fortunately, there just wasn't any junk food to speak of in the house like that, so I've never been protective of "treats". But you should see how quickly I can eat a meal. We had rules about special foods being shared so I don't think the same reactions kick in around those foods.

[OakLeaf]

I justify hiding food because DH is inactive and prediabetic. In my head when I want sweets I don't want to encourage him.

[Crankin]

Wow, I can't imagine having to hoard my food because siblings would take it! I guess there's some advantage to having a sibling almost 11 years younger...
I did on occasion have to label my lunches made for work, or other things I bought just for me, from my kids. Usually, there was a label on the bag that said something like, "Eat this, or die, Love, Mom."

[Owlie]

It's also been theorized that this is why we tend to gravitate toward food laden with fat and sugar, it was where you got your most calories and quickly stored energy in a system where there may not be food tomorrow.

Yep. The idea is that sweet things aren't likely to be poisonous, fat has a high calorie to mass ratio, and salt, while essential, is not all that easy to find out there, hence the attraction of salt licks and potato chips.

I store sweets--it takes me for freaking ever to finish them, sometimes to the point where I forget I have them. Some of it I think is rooted in the fact that we very rarely had sweets in the house when I was growing up. Neither of my parents are dessert people, and we only had chocolates/candy in the house a few times a year: Halloween, Easter, and whenever either of my grandmothers sent a box of stuff. My sister did the opposite--she used to wolf down chocolate bars (the 3oz Cadbury ones) in one sitting. And then she'd steal mine, so I hid them...and forgot about them.
Of course, I'm the one with the "weight problem."

[Skip]

Hi,

I usually just lurk around these boards but I really liked the discussion going on in this thread and wanted to jump in : )

Someone mentioned the origin of food issues a while back and I was thinking how the everyone-sit-down family dinner is supposedly disappearing and how that "interrupts" healthy meals. The busy-busy-busy culture of today creates a lack of appreciation for the food we eat, so we keep eating because our brains don't get a chance to catch up with our stomachs.

From what a lot of others have posted, families can be as much of a problem as a strength. Eating too much because of being pushed more or eating too fast b/c you might not get some (I know this one: if you don't get something before my brother, you don't get any. Boys. ::rolls eyes:: ) To those who have had such long-time and complex struggles with food and weight, do you find that family meals (whether during childhood/adolescence or adulthood/parenthood) help you or do they challenge you?

I realize this is a very personal question, so feel free not to answer if it's uncomfortable : ) I only recently started tracking what I eat as an experiment and I'm amazed at what we regularly have around.

[jezbael]

Great discussion. Thoughtful points. Courageous confessions.

I've struggled with food/eating/weight my whole life. I took a turn for the "healthy" about 10 years ago and very slowly, started replacing bad habits for healthier ones.

At one point I got crazy frustrated, because I had changed so much, lost a bunch of weight, but was still hungry and craving almost all the time. I felt like I was fighting a losing battle.

The most compassionate words came from my naturopath who said, "Let's see if we can get your body working better so that your efforts have a fighting chance". We targeted my thyroid functioning, which my GP repeatedly dismissed as a problem. That's helped. But I still fight.

I also remember reading a study where cocaine-addicted rats were given sugar water. After a very short time (days? weeks?) the rats chose the sugar water over cocaine. Sugar lights up the pleasure centre in our brains stronger than cocaine.

So many factors to consider, way beyond mere willpower.

[lph]

Welcome to the discussion, and welcome to TE, Skip!

I think establishing good eating habits early can be a lot more important than we generally think, not just a good idea but crucial to determining how we think of food as adults for years to come. In that sense how families eat together does play a big role.

My grandfather had painful stomach ulcers for most of his life. He suffered from stress and wolfed down his food, mainly because he grew up in a super-authoritarian household where his father ate very fast, and no-one could continue eating after he was finished.