Ok, yes, apparently my ability to "measure" my cranks leaves a bit to be desired. So, with your suggestions - the road bike is 170 and the Surly 165. I definitely was ankling. This season I have worked on keeping my feet flat.
Are there some good questions I can ask a bike shop before shelling out the money for a fitting to know if they are any good. The bike shop I went to supposedly did great fittings but the one the guy did for me sucked. All he looked at was the seat height.