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  1. #1
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    Quote Originally Posted by awm03 View Post
    I think the color is light blue (color accent, rather). Wonder if the LBS will let me test it before committing? It's already paid for.

    The other concern is being slightly more upright on the Synapse. "They" are always trying to get me on a more "comfortable" bike -- "Here, sweetie, you'll love this!" But I find that I lose power when I sit more upright, especially when climbing hills (I may be a fat ol' grayhair, but I don't shy away from climbs). I rented a Cannondale CAAD last year to ride around Tuscon and liked it very much. If the Synapse doesn't feel right, I might swap it out for an equivalently priced CAAD.
    If you like the CAAD, swap it without giving it a second thought. The Synapse has a more upright position (I have one and love it; my back cannot handle a racier position, unfortunately).

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    I have a triple Ultegra on my Orbea Diva.
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  3. #3
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    To summarize what most people have said here:

    The pros of a triple nowadays pretty much comes down to having a wide range of gears (but not necessarily a lower low gear than a compact double) with less of a jump between gears.

    The pros of a double are that you don't have to lose the same lowest gear, and the shifting of the chain rings tends to be smoother with less need for tuning due to the fact that you're dealing with 2 rings instead of 3 and in addition, the distance the derailleur has to travel is less. So it's mechanically a little simpler. That and the weight issue.

    My BF does custom bike builds for a living and he still has clients that want a triple over a double. And yes they are available but sometimes hard to source. So if you really want a triple, it's possible but I wouldn't give up on the compact double idea.
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    I have both and for the reasons that Oak described, I like my triple a lot better. I have an Ultegra triple that has never been a problem.
    I actually have 2 lower gears on my compact double than the triple (I have the mountain bike rear cassette) and I hate the jump in one particular place. I am thinking of switching out the cassette to one that has one less low gear, but will have the cog I like and am now missing. It will essentially be a compact double with the same gearing as my triple.
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  5. #5
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    I went from a triple to a compact double, and did not have any problems. The lowest gear is very similar to what I had on the triple.

    The only adjustment was getting used to shifting between the two front rings- which was a big jump. It just takes a little more attention to plan ahead when you're coming up on hills. And after a little experience, I didn't think about it any more.

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  6. #6
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    Thanks so much everybody. You are a fantastic source of info. I am going to give the compact double a try, and if that doesn't work, I know now that it's not the end of the world.

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    I have a Ruby with a compact double. I found that it did not have enough low gears to get me up the hills. (Nothing is flat in the Santa Cruz mountains.) I now have a mountain bike cassette and derailleur and I love it!

    The problem with Shimano is that they make an 11-34 or 11-36 10 speed derailleur for mountain bikes and pair it with a Shadow derailleur. Apparently this derailleur is not compatible with road bike shifters. After much searching on the Internet, I found that some people had bought the new cassette and paired it with an older Shimano Deore rear derailleur. I bought the pieces and had them installed, even though it is not to spec and bike stores don't seem to want to do this. It works fine, as long as I don't cross chain.

    Even though I now have my bike working as I want, it was a struggle. If I was to buy a new bike, I would probably get a triple - or I'd have the bike shop where I bought it install the larger cassette and derailleur before I took it home.
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    I wouldn't get too hung up on triple vs. double. If you feel you need that "extra" gear change the rear cassette to an 11-28.
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    Featuretile, I have the Deore XT 11-34 cassette on my compact double Guru and I am surprised that whoever built up your bike didn't do this as the go-to solution. My friend also has it on her Ruby Expert, and it was the first suggestion by the LBS she bought from, after she told them the regular compact double wouldn't cut it for her on the hills around here. This combination is becoming quite common here.
    While switching the rear cassette to an 11-28 on a compact might give a little relief, it definitely would give me one less lower gear than I have on my triple. I have a 27 tooth cog on my triple that I am replacing in the spring with a 28 . It's not that I really "need" it, but my knees appreciate it on a steep climb.
    I'm too old to worry about what people think about my low gears.
    When DH and I do our portion of our club's bike workshop, we always say "your most important gear is your lowest gear." Too many of these beginners are struggling because they are mashing, hurting their knees, and then giving up. We spend a good deal of the time talking about how to use your gears/shifting to your advantage.
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    With a medium cage rear derailleur and a ten speed 11 to 32 mated with a compact double, your lowest gear is as low as a road triple. Better chain line, less weight, less shifting for all those 'intermediate' gears that are almost the same. All this has already been covered here. Sheldon Brown has a good gear calculator that you might want to play with to see what you are using now vs. the double.

    Shifting the front, then the back to get to these intermediate gears is a pain, it's not linear. Currently only my new 'beater' commuter has a triple, the 30lb Novara. Can't stand it, and will change it when the rear cassette is worn, probably to a 11~32 & compact double. My light weight road bike weighs half what the Novara weighs so I don't need as low a gear, so use an 11~26.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jusdooit View Post
    I wouldn't get too hung up on triple vs. double. If you feel you need that "extra" gear change the rear cassette to an 11-28.
    1+ on this. I've found that having a 28 tooth cog on the back goes a long way toward making up the difference between having a double or a triple on the front.

  12. #12
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    Crankin,
    You might find this funny, but I got the 11-36 put on my bike because the 12-32 I had was not quite cutting it. There are places with 15% grade here and I was never making it to the top without walking or at least resting part way up. I would then lose most of the group, if not all. Now I can get up anything! Still not the fastest in the bunch, but I feel so much better. The 36 is only used for those really steep hills, but it's nice to know that I have it. If I lived in a flatter area, it would be quite useless, so it depends on where you live. And the bike stores here do not recommend this option. It seems that if the manufacturers are going to discontinue triples, they ought to make this option available.
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