You have to dig a really deep hole. Not that I've ever done it. But I've had friends....I am a midwife, after all. And most emphatically female! What the heck did this thread start out to be about...>? Oh, yeah, how great the women of the TE board are! I second that emotion!

...and, you'll be glad to hear, after about nine dud-first dates (and one kind of scary guy), I had a wonderful first date tonight! who knows where it will go, but it's so nice to feel good on a date again. L.