"Scootering" my bike

[Susan]

Maybe try this -
Engage both your brakes.
Stand over your bike, one foot on the pedal (usually the left foot). Pedal position for this pedal up, but not at 12 o clock, more at 10 or 9, if you'd look at it from the side.
Keep your brakes engaged.
Now push of your other foot and put weight on the foot on the pedal. You can do it just for a very short time and put your foot back on the ground. If you practice, you can stand on the pedal for quite a long time, balancing, so you are not in a hurry.

If you feel secure doing this, you can release your brakes, and all you have to do now is push down on the foot to get your bike going.

Imagine the pedal you are standing on is the first step of a ladder, it's the same movement.

[Reesha]

Hmm, I also start with my left foot on the ground and my butt on my seat. Post-proper bike fit and all. When I am stopped however, my toe just barely grazes the ground. Still, I have more power starting already on the seat. The only time I 'scooter' the bike is when a light catches me by surprised and I've had my left foot flat on the ground, butt off the seat.

[Catrin]

Maybe try this -
Engage both your brakes.
Stand over your bike, one foot on the pedal (usually the left foot). Pedal position for this pedal up, but not at 12 o clock, more at 10 or 9, if you'd look at it from the side.
Keep your brakes engaged.
Now push of your other foot and put weight on the foot on the pedal. You can do it just for a very short time and put your foot back on the ground. If you practice, you can stand on the pedal for quite a long time, balancing, so you are not in a hurry.

If you feel secure doing this, you can release your brakes, and all you have to do now is push down on the foot to get your bike going.

Imagine the pedal you are standing on is the first step of a ladder, it's the same movement.

I see what you are saying, practice first with my brakes engaged just to get a feel for it, I will give this a shot. I think when I've tried this in the past it felt so scary-unstable that my body or brain (or both) just decided "nope"

I think if I can figure out the scootering part, then the rest of it (getting in the saddle) will come naturally.

I rode with my personal trainer and his wife Saturday, they are both avid mountain bikers. She rode in front of me, he stayed behind and coached me. With his help, and some pushing, I was able to ride all of a trail that I've not been able to ride in the past - had a mental problem with the rocky portions and the bits with a drop-off at the side. I have been chipping away at that trail, but it took riding with someone who knows how to motivate me to get me over the scary bits. Now I know I can do it

It is his strong opinion that my current starting position is really going to limit me, which is a good incentive to finally deal with it.

[sarahkonamojo]

yes, I can see how this would be a problem. I always WANTED to be able to sit on my seat and have my foot on the ground. Wah!
Can you scooter your bike with your butt on the seat? It might be a way to get used to scootering. You also might try sitting on the bar. Uncomfortable, but might help to learn scooter that way. Third idea might be to try starting with your other foot first and retrain your body and mind for the entire process.
Good luck.

[Biciclista]

sheesh. i don't know HOW i do it. I just know i do it ungracefully.

[ny biker]

I don't think scootering will help you get started on inclines. You will not have enough momentum.

Find a big flat grassy field and practice until you can get started like in the video.

I used to have problems getting started and clipping in on an incline, but I'm able to do it now with very little trouble. I pretty much do what's in the video.

1. Make sure you're in an easy gear.
2. Clip in with one foot and position that foot at about 2:00 (just past the top of the pedal stroke).
3. Start pedaling with that foot.
4. At the same time, sit your butt on the saddle. This makes you very stable.
5. Clip in with the other foot and off you go.
6. If you have trouble clipping in with the other foot, that's okay, because you're sitting down which helps your balance a lot. Just keep pedaling once or twice around with the foot that is clipped in, helped by the other foot if possible, and try again.

Once you can do this on flat ground, try it on a slight incline, then a bit more of an incline, etc.

Trust me, you can do it. Stop thinking about all the reasons why you can't, because you can.

[Velocivixen]

Ditto what ny biker said. Don't make excuses for something you want to learn. Is there a reason you don't want to learn this? I am not trying to be a know it all or bossy or anything mean. As you know it's sometime difficult to express well in writing. So I am trying to encourage you. Just go do it an have fun mountain biking!

[Susan]

I see what you are saying, practice first with my brakes engaged just to get a feel for it, I will give this a shot. I think when I've tried this in the past it felt so scary-unstable that my body or brain (or both) just decided "nope"

I think if I can figure out the scootering part, then the rest of it (getting in the saddle) will come naturally.

I rode with my personal trainer and his wife Saturday, they are both avid mountain bikers. She rode in front of me, he stayed behind and coached me. With his help, and some pushing, I was able to ride all of a trail that I've not been able to ride in the past - had a mental problem with the rocky portions and the bits with a drop-off at the side. I have been chipping away at that trail, but it took riding with someone who knows how to motivate me to get me over the scary bits. Now I know I can do it

It is his strong opinion that my current starting position is really going to limit me, which is a good incentive to finally deal with it.

If you do it right, there is no need to scooter. Your weight on the front pedal is enough to get you started (if it isn't, use a smaller gear).
Even if you think of it as unstable, generally it is less so than standing on your tipitoes while sitting on your saddle.
Strange enough, steep inclines are the only place where I need to start sitting on my saddle because you need the weight on the back wheel, or it will slip.
Still it will help if you can get started out of the saddle, so don't let this discourage you, there are plenty of places where you will need this skill.

[Catrin]

Actually scootering will help me on the trails, like when I am going around a really tight hairpin curve - helps me from having to get all the way off the bike to walk it, or when I start to stall out

I think part of my problem with starting in a more traditional fashion is that I LIKE starting with my butt on the saddle. It doesn't help that I've full leg extension on my Gunnar even though I can do this...but I really need to learn to do this for my mountain biking, so I will!

[Catrin]

I did it, well, sort of However I DID it! Not the scootering thing, but the stair-step mounting method. Not fully, but I got most of the way there. The Gunnar is so well fitted to me and works so well for starting from the saddle that I wasn't successful with that bike. Basically because when I am standing there with my right foot on the pedal at 10:00 and left foot on the ground, the nose of my saddle is already under my butt. I am still amazed that I get proper knee angle/extension/KOPS on that bike byt I do. I did manage to "scooter" it once.

The saddle on the mountain bike is a bit higher, though not high enough. I took someone's suggestion and, while keeping my brakes firmly engaged, I put my right foot on the pedal at 10:00 or so and just jumped up - brakes still engaged so I wouldn't go anywhere. I did this a few times - which must have looked odd to anyone watching (what IS that crazy old woman doing?)

Ok, that worked so it was time to let go of the brakes...and found that the hardest thing I've ever done on my mountain bike Here I am beating the fear of the edge and rolling over rocky patches on the trail and I can't let go of the brakes to start the bike - that is just plain silly and I got mad at myself.

It took a few false starts, but was basically successful I also tried the same position but leaning the bike a bit so that my inner thigh was touching the saddle but not at a crazy angle - that worked better.

Thanks for your encouragement and I think I am on my way to beating this Practice, practice, practice!

[Velocivixen]

See? We knew you had it in you! Seriously though, new skills just take practice. Don't be hard on yourself. This is a new thing for you and with continued practice this motor skill will become habit and you won't even have to think about it. Nice job.

[Crankin]

I watched that video, and yes, that is how I start on my bike. I've never had an issue starting, but I absolutely cannot start on even a small incline. After ten years, I have given up and pray for green lights! I end up scootering across quite a few intersections, looking like a dweeb. I know I have the strength, but I fail almost every time, on an incline. I know lots of alternate routes. Some of it is in my head; on Saturday I was stopped at a light on an incline in an unfamiliar place with bad drivers. I had to scoot across a rather large intersection, which slowed me so much, my 2 slower riding friends were far ahead! I was able to pass them and catch up to DH once I got throughout he intersection, but the next day when I had to go through the same place and the light was red, I actually stopped way back, where the ground was still level.