Wheel Flop?

[OakLeaf]

All inline two-wheeled vehicles counter-steer. It's just easier and less dangerous for bicyclists to fight it, than it is for motorcyclists. That has more to do with lower speed than anything else.

If you're interested in the physics, Wikipedia has a decent explanation.

Getting off a bicycle is one of the easier places to observe it, actually. When you're getting ready to stop, turn your bars away from the foot you intend to put down. Your bike will automatically lean toward that side.

[Velocivixen]

I'm confused a bit, so please bear with me. Why do you have to lay your bike down to get on it? Don't you just hike your leg up and over the seat? Do you mean that you angle the bike down a bit toward you prior to hiking your leg over, then the bike somehow falls onto you? I guess I've never experienced this or I'm just not understanding it.
Thanks.

[Velocivixen]

Okay, I googled it. Don't need an explanation. Sorry.

[Bethany1]

I really don't have the flexibility to get over the saddle and I'm tall with a 33-34 inch inseam so the saddle sits fairly high. It doesn't help than when I get on and lift up into the saddle, my cycling shorts get tangled up in the nose having to balance everything while I get untangled.

When I got my fit he put my saddle up pretty high. It works perfectly while riding as my knees don't hurt and I get a lot of power out of it. If I lower it, my legs start aching again and I still get caught up.

I have men's Pearl Izum's x-large shorts. Nothing else seemed to fit right and the women's clothing I tried on were way too small.

[OakLeaf]

If the edge of your chamois is just catching in the saddle a little, learn to bring your hips a little more forward while you're mounting the bike. Also learn not to panic and get off balance if your shorts do catch - it happens, especially when standing to climb.

But if your shorts are actually getting "tangled" or hooked, they're way too big. There shouldn't be that much extra fabric.

If men's sizes fit you better there's nothing wrong with that, but according to PI's sizing chart, there's only a 1"-1.5" difference at the hip between their men's and women's XL, and their women's XXL is actually 1"-2" larger at the hip than men's XL. So it doesn't make sense that women's would be "way too small" for you. Maybe they don't fit you right, but they can't be too small if the men's shorts fit.

Maybe try a men's L. (But be aware from the other thread that PI is apparently notorious for different clothing models fitting differently.)



Also I'm not sure I'm reading your OP right, but make sure you have good footing on the first foot you put down, before unclipping the other foot and bringing it over the wheel. Keep a hold of the handlebars to control the bike's leaning. The soles of cycling shoes are slippery, so it does take a little getting used to, making sure your foot's not going to slip out from under you before committing your whole weight to it.

[Velocivixen]

@Bethany1, thanks for the time to explain. I have never heard the term "wheel flop" and am visual, so I watched a video on the topic and now see what you mean. I can understand being tall with the seat up high and the flexibility trying to get that leg up & over. No worries. My only suggestion, and this is a long term thing, would be to increase your flexibility. I found that when I started doing yoga regularly my balance improved a lot. Balance requires practice and uses muscle memory just like other physical activities.
Good luck. Let us know how any adjustments you make affect the situation.

[Bike Writer]

@Bethany1, thanks for the time to explain. I have never heard the term "wheel flop" and am visual, so I watched a video on the topic and now see what you mean. I can understand being tall with the seat up high and the flexibility trying to get that leg up & over. No worries. My only suggestion, and this is a long term thing, would be to increase your flexibility. I found that when I started doing yoga regularly my balance improved a lot. Balance requires practice and uses muscle memory just like other physical activities.
Good luck. Let us know how any adjustments you make affect the situation.

I also am having a hard time with the visulization but I think I'm getting it. I googled wheel flop video and have not had the results I am looking for.

VV, could you post the link to that video please?

I believe I have this problem also, or should say that I had this problem and have overcome it pretty much but from time to time I struggle with it. When I first started riding again after many years absence, I found that bikes nowdays seemed to do "something strange" and I don't recall that as a kid. By "something strange" I am refering to what I believe is wheel flop (if I'm getting wheel flop correctly), namely that being short and very short legged I have to lean my bike to get a leg over the wheel when mounting and dismounting the bike. I am much more stable at it now but when I first returned to riding I fell alot when I was either mounting or dismounting the bike and while it all happened so fast, it always seemed like the bike was falling on me or causing me to fall because the front wheel spun and flopped toward the ground and would take me with it. I don't recall wheels being so heavy when I was a kid and wonder what changed?

This rarely happens to me now, but I am assuming that it doesn't anymore because of a few factors:

1. I am getting stronger
2. I am getting more flexible
3. My balance has gotten better
4. I have found a way to counteract this or compensate for it
5. All of the above.

and