Ah, didn't think about the different ways of measuring. Thanks. The bike I test rode had 38cm bars and it felt comfortable. If I switch to 36cm I'd have to get those myself though the shop will do the switch for free. Need to remember the measurement point if I buy online. I've never ridden a bike with 36cm bars as they're not that common. None available to test ride even in the big shops. I tested 6 bikes and decided on a Trek. 5 out of the 6 had 38cm bars. One in 40cm