Flat-bar road bikes...?

[indysteel]

Is it necessarily true that FB's are more upright? I took a look at Trek, Specialized and Jamis's offerings and, based on the elements of geometry I looked at (HT and TT lengths; HTA and STA) and didn't get the impression that the cockpits of the FB bikes were smaller than those of at least some of their road bikes. Maybe I wasn't looking at the right elements of geometry or otherwise left something out of the equation. It just made me wonder if FB and DB bikes are all as different as one might assume.

[tulip]

I am not upright on my Coda. I am just as low as on my Luna. Probably more because the top tube/stem on my Coda is longer than on the Luna. Too long, but I'm too cheap to replace the stem. The Luna is perfect, however. My wrists prefer the Luna, especially for long rides.

[Kiwi Stoker]

Shifting and braking.

To be honest because of my short fingered hands I find shifters hard to use. I can barely get my fingers on the lever to brake. I have extra interupt levers on my drop bars and use them instead. Other people have hand problems will find mountain bike tigger shifters and brake levers are easier for them to use.

Also I never go into the drops so why bother with drop handlebars? I am actually going to put bull horns and remount my shifters to underneath the ends (I have seen this done on another bike). This should solve my issues regarding my finger reach for braking.

[radacrider]

Is it necessarily true that FB's are more upright? I took a look at Trek, Specialized and Jamis's offerings and, based on the elements of geometry I looked at (HT and TT lengths; HTA and STA) and didn't get the impression that the cockpits of the FB bikes were smaller than those of at least some of their road bikes. Maybe I wasn't looking at the right elements of geometry or otherwise left something out of the equation. It just made me wonder if FB and DB bikes are all as different as one might assume.

I suspect if you compare the stack heights and stem angles there will be enough difference to see why the handlebar heights are different. Then there are also those flat bars that also have a bit of up-sweep to them. Part of how I got my SUB drop bars a bit higher was a bit more length where the quill stem is inserted into the head tube and it has a up angle versus the road bike's stem is horizontal.

[indysteel]

I suspect if you compare the stack heights and stem angles there will be enough difference to see why the handlebar heights are different. Then there are also those flat bars that also have a bit of up-sweep to them. Part of how I got my SUB drop bars a bit higher was a bit more length where the quill stem is inserted into the head tube and it has a up angle versus the road bike's stem is horizontal.

Maybe....although my Trek FX didn't have a lot of stack, nor did it come with riser bars. Plus, a lot of road bikes today come stock with riser stems and, if they don't, it's any easy swap. In looking at the photos of both the Trek FX and the Specialized Sirrus, they don't appear to have a lot of stack. The Jamis Code has a bit more.

I don't doubt that some FB road bikes on the market (and just to be clear that I'm not talking about bikes that fall more squarely under the heading of "hybrid") probably do offer a more upright position than your average road bike. Moreover, there are certainly any number of road bikes on the market with more aggressive racing geometry. But I suspect that many FB bikes aren't as different in terms of geometry as some riders assume.

[GingerbreadGirl]

I'm new to road cycling and drops just seem... intimidating. There's something more professional and serious about them, whereas most people are comfortable with flats because it's what you had as a kid.

That being said, now that I'm getting a bit more serious and the rides are longer, my hands do suffer. My flat bar road bike has bar ends but if I upgrade at some point, I think I would like drops. My bike has road compact geometry and I'm comfotable but I'm more upright than I would be in drops. For me, going right into a road bike with drops would have been a bit overwhelming... I didn't want to deal with the different geometry, gearing, getting into shape, drops, etc all at once. Maybe some day.

[radacrider]

Maybe....although my Trek FX didn't have a lot of stack, nor did it come with riser bars. Plus, a lot of road bikes today come stock with riser stems and, if they don't, it's any easy swap. In looking at the photos of both the Trek FX and the Specialized Sirrus, they don't appear to have a lot of stack. The Jamis Code has a bit more.

I don't doubt that some FB road bikes on the market (and just to be clear that I'm not talking about bikes that fall more squarely under the heading of "hybrid") probably do offer a more upright position than your average road bike. Moreover, there are certainly any number of road bikes on the market with more aggressive racing geometry. But I suspect that many FB bikes aren't as different in terms of geometry as some riders assume.

Agree. I think marketing and such has a lot to do with it. I see a lot of newer road type commuters with the drop bar tops above the seat, so you can have a more upright position and drop bars.

[malkin]

One of the best things about my flatbars is the Brooks leather ring grips!

[kimikaw]

I'm actually considering selling my traditional road bike and getting a flat bar bike. Due to shifting and braking as others have mentioned. My bike is a Specialized Dolce, and I have the second set of brake levers on the flat part. I find use those brakes 90% of the time. Have never felt comfortable riding the drops on any road bike. And while I may ride some with hands on the hoods, I seem to reach back to the other brake levers to stop.

Plus reaching around the levers to shift has never been comfortable. We've adjusted them and adjusted them, changed stems. The whole gamut. Two different fitters have said the bike is right for me. And it is very comfortable to ride, but mentally I'm just note comfortable on it anywhere but up on hoods or flat bar.

I've also rented a couple of other road bikes, and really dislike not having the flat bar brake option. I have mountain bike and a hybrid (more of a mountain hybrid than road, has front suspension) I use as a commuter. I bought the hybrid due to the wider wheels and front suspension thinking I'd like that better commuting. Now wonder if I got a higher end flat bar road bike, put 25-28cc tires, if I wouldn't need both the road bike and the second commuter.

Esp. as I just bought a new MTB.

[Catrin]

Kimikaw - how about having your LBS convert it from road bars to flat bars with appropriate shifters and brakes? I did that to my LHT last year - and while it isn't an inexpensive conversion - if you like the bike outside of the shifters and brake levers it might be a viable option for you.