I wore my drop tails for the first time this morning - 42 miles. They were super comfy and I like them WAY better than my PI Attack shorts but I just didn't even try to "drop" them. We stopped at 7 Eleven and I had a full zip jersey so I just took it off rather than pee all over my shorts in error. I think I will just wear full zip jerseys when I wear them. The hole just seems entirely too small and high to get it where it needs to be without ripping them. Overall though, good chamois (I prefer the orange elite to the blue select), good fit (size small in these fit better than my Medium in the Attack short) and nice light leg grippers. Of the 4 prs of shorts I now have, these will be in the top 2, which is what I was hoping as I don't like the other 2 really.