Catrin, I should clarify that when I say that I need to ride Pine Loop out of the saddle to practice skills, I mean over the whole trail, not just the descents. I found it helpful to get up in a neutral or ready position even when I could have ridden it seated just to get some practice doing it--because on Limekiln you arguably do need to be out of your saddle at times. What's great is that it really does make it easier to feel and stay in control, rather than to feel like the bike is riding me.