Just can't get comfy.. Considering giving up drop bars

[Roadtrip]

You say the stock bars are wider them the ones you ave now... If you havnt seen a fitter, are you surebthe bars are wide enough? Sounds like with all the $$$ you've spent on parts, you could have paid for the fitting.

Good luck in your search for comfort!!

Shannon

[Cataboo]

Didn't you say the other day that you really enjoyed the ruby?

How did you come to decide on the LHT?

Maybe post a picture of yourself - but really, you probably need a fitting. It's expensive to figure out all this stuff on your own & its frustrating.

My knees are happiest when I've got my seat all the way back, on a setback seatpost with a 73 degree seat angle. i can't get that on a surly - most of their seat angles are 75 degrees and I don't find that good on my knees at all. You said you were comfortable on a ruby in a post recently - and they do have slacker seat angles than LHTs have and they tend to be a relaxed geometry - so maybe your problems getting your knees happy have more to do with the LHT? And if you solve that you might be happier with other saddles.

Also - what size cranks are you using? I switch my cranks to 165s because that's easier on my knees.

I use the fsa k-wing carbon handlebars:
http://www.amazon.com/FSA-K-Wing-Car.../dp/B00020VTFI

If you look at those, they're raised at the flat portion, which gives a little bit more height and I mostly ride with my hands on that flat portion... I also get them in 42 cms taking in account that my hands are going to be on the flat most of the time & using that measurement for what size handlebars I want (I know, noone else does that)... So I'm fairly upright when I ride... I don't really use my drops, the sides of those fsa kwing handlebars drop down where the hoods are and it kinda cradles my forearm and I use that as my more aggressive position.

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