Clenching toes on one foot...Symptom of ????

[Becky]

I tend to clench my toes when my shoe isn't tight enough to keep my foot from sliding forward. Usually, tightening the instep/heel strap is enough to fix the problem. For me, tightening the toe strap just makes my toes numb.

Good luck figuring this out!

[KathiCville]

Thanks, Becky and Sheila....Hmmm, I hadn't thought about whether my feet might vary in length! What you describe, Sheila, is similar to what's happening to me when I pedal. I'll add your suggestion to my list of possible solutions!

I'll also compare how well my heels are staying put in the shoes when pedaling---maybe I need a snugger fit in the heel on the right side. I could be slipping forward a little, as Becky suggests.

Thanks! Keep those ideas and suggestions comin'!

[pll]

Is your right leg your dominant leg? Do you unclip your right foot first when you stop? And, when you say your right foot lifts, do you mean your foot and shoe (from the pedal) or your foot inside the shoe? It could be as simple as tightening the pedal a little bit -- might have become a bit loose, or perhaps the cleat is worn out (or both).

[KathiCville]

Catrin and PLL....One of factors I'm wondering about is whether the cleat could be at least part of the problem.

My right leg is my dominant leg, and the one that I unclip first/most. In simply looking at the two cleats I can't see any difference in terms of wear, but maybe it wouldn't be particularly noticeable to a novice. I read a bit about SPD cleat wear last night and one of the main symptoms of wear is having a harder than usual time clipping in or out---that hasn't been a problem so I'm not sure whether the cleat itself is an issue. I'm pretty new to cleats so don't have much experience to help me judge. Swapping out old cleats for new is relatively easy, of course, so that's on my list of possible remedies.

On yesterday's ride I intentionally snugged up the front strap of my right shoe, over the toes, just to see if that would make a difference. In doing so, I *thought* I noticed a bit of looseness between the shoe and the pedal. (Versus the foot lifting slightly in the shoe.) I'll ride again this week when it cools down a bit and see if I can detect exactly where the slight looseness is located: foot in shoe, or between shoe and pedal...or possibly both.

My shoes (Rampas, I think) don't have a heel strap so I'd probably have to do something about the insole to give me a snugger fit at the back if I'm either sliding forward or lifting my heel up. I searched here on TE and saw a number of posts about Specialized's various insoles, as well as the Louis Garneau "customizable" insoles that can be heated up, then cooled while wearing, to get a good fit.

Thanks!

[pll]

Cleat wear -- perhaps swapping the left and the right would rule that out (I know I wear out my left cleat so much faster than the right one -- as the result of a heel injury, I unclip with the left even though my dominant leg is the right one)

Insoles: I am using eSoles in my Sidi shoes -- you have a choice of three arches and metatarsal support. I used to have a Specialized insole before. I like both products.

[pll]

I tend to pronate (as I put my weight into my foot, it rolls inward) and used to get numb toes on the bike. Insoles make things a lot more comfortable for me. Over the counter insoles tend to be more 'significant' than the insoles that ship with pretty much any shoe (which are very thin). While not designed to make the shoes tighter, in practice they make it slightly tighter.

[KathiCville]

Hi...I thought I'd give a quick update on what I've done about my "toe clenching" problem in case it's of use to anyone else. In brief, I took the bike and shoes in for a good (and probably overdue) fitting last night. :-)

Turned out that the main problems where the foot was concerned were:

1) cleats set too far forward, so my foot was trying to "grab" the pedal. Hence the clenching motion.

2) a leg length discrepancy--right leg slightly shorter (which I suspected was the case)

3) seat set a tad too high, causing me to rock my hips to "reach" the pedal, especially on the (shorter) right side.

So, among other changes, we put the cleats farther back (wow, I could feel the difference on the stand in the shop!); shimmed the right one; and lowered the seat slightly. He also moved the SPD clip-in gizmo on the pedal (ack, don't know the term) a little closer to the frame to align my knees better with the pedal.

While we were at it, we made a couple of upper body related changes too, including shortening the stem slightly, and installing narrower handlebars.

Can't wait to get out on the road tonight and monitor the differences!

Thanks for everybody's suggestions! I hope I'm "good to go" now........

[Righteousbabe]

I have been experiencing something very similar for about 2 years now. For me, I clinch my left foot. My right leg seems to be doing a lot of the work, and I also feel a looseness on the left on the upstroke. I have worked with the bike shop to dial in my fit. I have also had shims/wedges put under my right cleat to address a leg length discrepancy. I noticed I started clinching my left toes on a MS 150 bike ride after I pulled my Achilles. It seemed to alleviate the pain enough for me to get through the ride. But it has been 2 years, the Achilles has healed, but I am still doing it from time to time. I think the reason why I am still doing it is that my left leg is far weaker than my right, so there is a pretty severe muscle imbalance. Contributing to the problem are some trigger points in my left calf, which prevents the calf muscles from firing properly. I think these two things combined are putting a lot of strain on my Achilles, and I am unconsciously clinching my toes because it seems to feel better when I do that. I have been working with a PT to address the muscle imbalances I have due to scoliosis, getting regular massages to work on the trigger points, and doing a lot of calf stretches. I don't know if this is what is causing you to clinch your toes, but I thought I would weigh in since I have been having the same problem.

[Catrin]

I wonder, since you just noted this problem, if there could be a problem developing with the cleat on that shoe? Is it perhaps a little more worn or getting a little loose? I don't know how common an issue this is but the sudden onset makes me wonder. I also saw some poor guy yesterday who had to walk his bike some distance because HIS cleat broke - not only was he walking his bike but had to do it in his socks