Mmmmmmm, I'm confused as to why my advice is not reasonable. I don't disagree people can change, if they want to, but I'm assuming (and forgive me if this course has not been taken) that all the discussions have already taken place and now the frustration is there is no change.

Listen, I appreciate all of you women trying to help your "boys" grow up and take responsibility. But it is alot of work. Making lists, sorting piles, constantly nagging, that's really no fun is it? I just don't have the patience. I expect my man to be all grown up before we make any commitment.

Yes, the good should be weighed with the bad (and I said that previously). In a relationship I tend to be the neat freak and I can't expect everyone to be that way so, I don't nag, I just clean. My partner does all sort of other things for me like fixing things, doing the heavy chores etc. But if he just sat around on his butt expecting me to do everything, then he would be set out on the curb. How is there any good in that relationship? That obviosuly shows a lack of respect for the relationship.

Nothing wrong in venting but I didn't take the post as just venting. I apologize if no advice was asked for. I obviously misunderstood.

Sometimes, a person needs to realize a mistake was made and instead of trying to fix the mistake, it is better to stop the bleed, cut the loss and move on. Is there a real problem with this recommendation?