Cross Country Skiing

[mudmucker]

I have about 18,000 acres of either state forest or WMA within 6 miles of my house. About 2000 of those have access about a quarter mile from my house. This doesn't even include Wendell SF or the Quabbin, which is 25 minutes from me. First thing I do when I move to a new place is get myself a map and compass and head out to the woods, or explore by mt. bike. I've lived here for 7 years and have done a lot of exploring and am familiar with a lot of these places.

But today I went to an area to ski that I hadn't thought of which slipped off the radar years ago. You can connect to parts that I do know from it. I have to say after all these years I actually was in an area I had never been. I didn't recognize a thing, not a landform, nothing. It was great. It was so wonderful to not know where I was, to have this woodland experience be so fresh and new and full of antipation. I kept wanting to go further to discover what was around the bend, to see if it did finally connect to something I recognized. It never did. It was a larger area than expected. It was getting near 4pm and because I was unfamiliar with the area, wanted to get back to the car before dark. Nor did I have a topo map and it was cloudy with no sun. There were all sorts of diversions and offset paths heading to different areas. I wanted to explore all of them and see where they went. There were so many I'm not even sure I'd be able to explore them all with what winter is left. I'll have to come out on the mt bike to be able to cover greater area. But then it started to snow and there was one trail that was just too darn inviting. It went through a grove of white and red pines so you felt you were going through a tall cathedral forest. Likely a pine plantation of an old management practice that was once commonly used to quickly reforest abandoned deforested land. You see them a lot around here. The snow was falling softly. All was quiet. It was cleared. A snowmobile had gone through once but it looked like it had been few days ago. A thin veneer of snow was laid over the snowmobile tracks making for perfect snow conditions. So I shuffled through the pines, just me and the quiet. The snow and ski in such harmony that the uninterrupted kick and glide gave a zen like quality. I was in a zone. The fresh cool air, flakes falling so slowly and peacefully. It was heavenly, a perfect feeding for the soul.

Never know what fresh experiences lie ahead in the day when you wake up.

[jessmarimba]

I learned today - we spent about 5 hours at Eldora between the lesson and the trails we went on. It was much easier than I was expecting, though I don't think I weighed enough for the ridiculously long skis I had. Hard to get the part beneath my feet to ever touch the ground, so going up hills was stupid slow sometimes. Next time I want to learn skate skiing.

[Becky]

We got ~8" of snow on Thursday, so DH and I finally got to try out our new skis! Rossi BC65s for me and BC70s for him. I am pleased to report that we chose well for our conditions- they're beefy enough for breaking trail without being overwhelming for our typical snow amounts, short enough to turn easily, and metal edges really do help when it turns icy.

Hooray!

[DebW]

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But today I went to an area to ski that I hadn't thought of which slipped off the radar years ago.

Never know what fresh experiences lie ahead in the day when you wake up.

Cool.

[lph]

Ooo. Went skiing today in our local woods, after shuffling my feet for two weeks. It was excellent. Brilliantly groomed, even though the base is a bit hard and icy. I have new skis. Ooo. My 13 year old son is now an efficient and strong skate skier, almost as good as my dh, but I can report that I can still double-pole the h*ll out of both of them.

[solobiker]

Whaaaaa...I didn't get to go out this weekend. I had a bad cold all week and by Friday just as I was starting to feel better I ended up with the stomach flu Oh well, There is always next weekend. Hope everyone Had a fun time. LPH way to go!!

[Kubla]

I just found (what seems to be) a pretty good online deal for a backcountry ski package at Akers Ski in Maine. Here's the catch: the skis will be pre-drilled, but the bindings will need to be installed by the buyer.

Does anyone know what is involved for installation of 3-pin bindings? Do they just snap into place-or is there a lot more to the task (glue, brute force, etc.)?

I plan to write to them, but they are closed on Sundays and it doesn't appear initially that installation is available at an additional cost.

[DebW]

I just found (what seems to be) a pretty good online deal for a backcountry ski package at Akers Ski in Maine. Here's the catch: the skis will be pre-drilled, but the bindings will need to be installed by the buyer.

Does anyone know what is involved for installation of 3-pin bindings? Do they just snap into place-or is there a lot more to the task (glue, brute force, etc.)?

I plan to write to them, but they are closed on Sundays and it doesn't appear initially that installation is available at an additional cost.

3-pin bindings install with screws. If they come predrilled, it takes alot of the work (positioning and alignment) out of it. You need elmer's glue or slow-cure epoxy on the screws/in the holes to seal out water. You also may need a special posidrive phillips screwdriver. I did a set from scratch recently with a friend's help.

[mudmucker]

Well, I lost a weekend of skiing - I had dental surgery on Friday and the dentist said no exercise. Not that I feel like it since my jaw has ballooned out and I'm a little under the weather. Painkillers are working though. So I did a little armchair gardening and made my final order of seeds for my grow lights.

And on the brighter side, I did some armchair skiing as well. I decided on the Madshus Epochs and ordered them online last night. Earlier in the week I went to a shop to see them in person. They are much lighter than I thought they would be. They also had the Rossi90s as well. The Rossis were a lot wider than I expected. But here is my decision. The Rossis had a stiffer camber and actually seemed heavier than the Epochs. I felt although it seemed more of a Point A to Point B ski with the stiffer camber, it might have a little less float and maybe more difficult to initiate a telemark turn. I was also a bit skeptical of their deep snow capabilities. They didn't have the Alpina Lite Terrains to look at but I more or less removed that from my list. I felt the sidecut was too drastic and would get a little too squirrelly on the level kick and glide. That and my kick and glide would be more of a shuffle because of the flexy single camber. Shuffle = not too fun and more geared for up to destination, then more control downhill. The Epochs seemed just right. Light. They have something called single camber plus, which is probably camber and a half - meaning a little stiffer and some Point A to Point B kick and glide capabilities, yet the sidecut allows for easier initiation of telemark turns.

The next concern I had is that my current backcountry skis tend to submarine in the snow rather than flexing enough for the shovel to stay level or seek the surface of the snow for better travel through. The ski seems flexible enough to do this. Then, in weight I was nearer the high end of the shorter ski and was concerned that I would collapse the kick pocket and have too much drag. I went with the next longer ski because I am confident in my abilities and I would salvage more kick and glide.

I am pretty excited. I have 2000 acres to access within walking distance of my house where there are 1600 to 1800 foot hills I can break trail and bushwhack to, to get some height in which to carve out a few turns. Twenty years ago I spent a couple of seasons trying to telemark. It'll be fun to practice the telemark turns again and mix that up with some of the rolling terrain too. I wonder if I'll even remember how to do them. It'll be fun to get out there with my map and compass again (yes I am old fashioned and still use that over gps) and explore off trail areas. And at about a half hours distance I can try out some other small hills like Mt Grace and Watatic, or even the back side of Wachusett. All without having to travel far.

[mudmucker]

Well, I lost a weekend of skiing - I had dental surgery on Friday and the dentist said no exercise. Not that I feel like it since my jaw has ballooned out and I'm a little under the weather. Painkillers are working though. So I did a little armchair gardening and made my final order of seeds for my grow lights.

And on the brighter side, I did some armchair skiing as well. I decided on the Madshus Epochs and ordered them online last night. Earlier in the week I went to a shop to see them in person. They are much lighter than I thought they would be. They also had the Rossi90s as well. The Rossis were a lot wider than I expected. But here is my decision. The Rossis had a stiffer camber and actually seemed heavier than the Epochs. I felt although it seemed more of a Point A to Point B ski with the stiffer camber, it might have a little less float and maybe more difficult to initiate a telemark turn. I was also a bit skeptical of their deep snow capabilities. They didn't have the Alpina Lite Terrains to look at but I more or less removed that from my list. I felt the sidecut was too drastic and would get a little too squirrelly on the level kick and glide. That and my kick and glide would be more of a shuffle because of the flexy single camber. Shuffle = not too fun and more geared for up to destination, then more control downhill. The Epochs seemed just right. Light. They have something called single camber plus, which is probably camber and a half - meaning a little stiffer and some Point A to Point B kick and glide capabilities, yet the sidecut allows for easier initiation of telemark turns.

The next concern I had is that my current backcountry skis tend to submarine in the snow rather than flexing enough for the shovel to stay level or seek the surface of the snow for better travel through. The ski seems flexible enough to do this. Then, in weight I was nearer the high end of the shorter ski and was concerned that I would collapse the kick pocket and have too much drag. I went with the next longer ski because I am confident in my abilities and I would salvage more kick and glide.

I am pretty excited. I have 2000 acres to access within walking distance of my house where there are 1600 to 1800 foot hills I can break trail and bushwhack to, to get some height in which to carve out a few turns. Twenty years ago I spent a couple of seasons trying to telemark. It'll be fun to practice the telemark turns again and mix that up with some of the rolling terrain too. I wonder if I'll even remember how to do them. It'll be fun to get out there with my map and compass again (yes I am old fashioned and still use that over gps) and explore off trail areas. And at about a half hours distance I can try out some other small hills like Mt Grace and Watatic, or even the back side of Wachusett. All without having to travel far.

[mudmucker]

Hmm. Double posted somehow. Sorry about that.

[Kubla]

3-pin bindings install with screws. If they come predrilled, it takes alot of the work (positioning and alignment) out of it. You need elmer's glue or slow-cure epoxy on the screws/in the holes to seal out water. You also may need a special posidrive phillips screwdriver. I did a set from scratch recently with a friend's help.

Good news-and more food for thought. I heard back from Akers Ski first thing today. They will install the bindings for $15 per pair if I decide to buy a ski package such as this one-which features Alpina Lite Terrains. A no-brainer for me; I'm happy to have someone else install them- if this package is what I decide to go with ultimately.

I had been leaning slightly more toward Rossignol BC 90s or Madshus Epochs. But...I was also researching the Alpina Lite Terrains-which do not seem as readily available as the other two. I'm torn between sitting it out (and risk missing the boat due to size availability) in hopes of a better deal...or just waiting until next year. We shall see...

[jessmarimba]

Anyone ever been to the nordic center at Beaver Creek? I'll be there on Sunday for a concert and thought I'd try it out, but there are plenty of other places on the way.

[Kubla]

This afternoon DBF and I took our skis and explored the conservation land behind my house. It was his first outing this year-and my fourth.

Our skis (Rossignol BC 65s) don't do well in in deep snow, but we were lucky enough to find some trails that had been packed down by snowmobiles, so it worked out ok.

We've been looking for backcountry skis that would handle the deep snow more efficiently. Does anyone have experience with the Rossignol BC 90, Alpina Lite Terrain or Madshus Epoch? We don't need anything too aggressive for steep downhill. We'll stick to trails and fairly gentle slopes.

[mudmucker]

This afternoon DBF and I took our skis and explored the conservation land behind my house. It was his first outing this year-and my fourth.

Our skis (Rossignol BC 65s) don't do well in in deep snow, but we were lucky enough to find some trails that had been packed down by snowmobiles, so it worked out ok.

We've been looking for backcountry skis that would handle the deep snow more efficiently. Does anyone have experience with the Rossignol BC 90, Alpina Lite Terrain or Madshus Epoch? We don't need anything too aggressive for steep downhill. We'll stick to trails and fairly gentle slopes.

I just saw this. Funny, I've been looking at the same 3 skis over the last 2 weeks. I don't have any personal experience but I've been doing some research and can offer some thoughts. Can see if it matches yours. I think our terrain and goals are similar...100% off trail use on rolling topography. No wilderness. No long gladed descents. No mountain type environment.

I too have a pair of older backcountry skis that have tip and waist similar to your Rossi 65s. I don't seem to want to do as much distance with those skis. And I'd like to better be able to carve out a couple of lazy turns in deeper snow if I want.

I'm looking for more float. Don't want anything too heavy.

I'm leaning towards the Epochs.

I have not seen any of these in person yet. I've called a couple of places to talk with the reps but I hope to go to a shop this weekend. The Alpinas have great float but appear to be more "telemarky" and I don't really have any extended long terrain that would warrant them. They are probably heavy because of it and I think there would be too much comprise of kick and glide.

The Rossi 90s on the other hand seem like they'd be lighter and have some control on the turns, and maybe better kick and glide on the level. But I'm wondering if the dimensions would actually offer that much more float over what I/we already have. Not sure if 26 mm extra of tip and 7 mm extra of waist would make that much of a difference with the deep snow that we have. Our snow usually has moisture and packs well but how comparable would it be? I'm thinking pretty similar.

So I'm leaning towards the Epochs. They have healthy dimension for float. A healthy sidecut for carving on a hill if you want that option. And I think still a fairly soft camber for quick responses for turning and navigating through tight trees for when I want to go through those areas. I have a lot of more open logging roads and access roads though that would probably be my predominant route but it's nice to have the extra option. You'd probably give up some kick and glide but I have fast skis if I want to do that. Can add skins I think if I want to climb something bigger. I don't mind slowing down for the remote and "no one's been through here yet or ever" experience that I'd like to get back to lately.

The verdict is still out for me. I hate to fork over all that money. I don't mind putting out for the skis. I already have an SNS system on my skis with a Salomon backcountry boot. I might be able to get away with that with the Rossi 90s but I probably would have to change out with the Epochs.

Let us know what you decide if you go forward with one of them.