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  1. #1
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    My biggest problem with this is that whatever the motive (politics, crazy, etc) someone thought this was the right course. I have a lot of problems with handguns (report I read said this was one) due to my personal experience with a murder of someone and the shooters known problems with mental illness. If he was indeed known to be mentally ill how was he allowed a gun? Was it an illegal acquisition? Red/blue it doesn't matter, there are people on many sides who see little value in a life that doesn't agree with them. No one's difference in opinion from mine is even worth a slap let alone their life. Differences in opinion make the world one I enjoy, sadly not everyone can live this way which is just beyond my comprehension.
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    I heard that the weapon was a 9mm handgun, and was acquired legally, but I haven't really confirmed that.

    Anyway, I'm also a Tucsonan, and today was a bit surreal for me. I work at a performing arts venue on the U of A campus, where we're just a few days into a 3-week run of the musical "Wicked." While the university did postpone today's scheduled basketball game, we took the "the show must go on" approach--patrons were a bit more subdued than normal, but I think were glad for the distraction, especially during the matinee (which started ~4 hours after the incident, when details were still unknown).

    It was kind of uplifting, actually, to see perfect strangers talking about what had happened, times that they had met the Congresswoman, looking updates up on iPhones and Blackberries and sharing them with seat-neighbors at intermission.

    I don't think Gabby Giffords has a mean bone in her body, and she is someone who really seems dedicated to her whole constituency, not just the ones who agree with her. I'm proud to have her as my representative, and I do hope we see her back in the House, though I'm sure she has a difficult road ahead. My heart really goes out to the folks who lost loved ones today, especially that lovely little girl.
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    My heart goes out to all the families and communities changed and hurt by this, and especially to the families who have lost loved ones. I can't understand how someone felt a gun was the answer.
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    After almost a day of reflecting on this and seeing pictures/hearing the stories of the various people involved on the news, it dawned on me why this feels so personal. The people who were injured or killed remind me so much of what I loved about Arizona... circa 1978 Arizona. Strong, independent politicians, smart people who often left the state to attend college and came back to serve the people in government, education, family businesses, farming. When I was in grad school the first time, I used sit and drink coffee every morning during the summer session, in the MU at ASU with Harry Mitchell, then the mayor of Tempe. But, he was also a social studies teacher at Tempe High School. Just a true model of selfless public service. I doubt something like that would happen today.
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    All night long I was haunted by the quote of Giffords telling Palin the gunsight hit list map on Palin's website was dangerous and irresponsible to publish. Unstable people do get swayed by these things.

    That's a woman with political experience and political sense.

    (I'm grossed out by the hit list map. Across the top it says "We've diagnosed the problem... help us prescribe the solution." http://www.allgov.com/Top_Stories/Vi...sshairs_110108 )
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    Quote Originally Posted by KnottedYet View Post
    All night long I was haunted by the quote of Giffords telling Palin the gunsight hit list map on Palin's website was dangerous and irresponsible to publish. Unstable people do get swayed by these things.
    ...and unstable people can be just as easily swayed by Projective Identification.

    This is a terrible thing that happened. Shall we blame Sarah Palin? Shall we blame It on Giffords response? None of us know...Bad things happen...let's stop looking for someone to blame. This all could be a sad irony, but either way, left and right agree that it is a terrible thing.

    I'm very upset because this is an UNamerican outcome and an American tragedy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badgercat View Post
    I heard that the weapon was a 9mm handgun, and was acquired legally, but I haven't really confirmed that.(
    Last night on ABC news, they said it was a semi-automatic Glog (?? I know nothing about guns so that may be the wrong term) and was indeed obtained legally a few weeks ago by the shooter.

    I could say a lot about that, but I will bite my tongue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emily_in_nc View Post
    Last night on ABC news, they said it was a semi-automatic Glog (?? I know nothing about guns so that may be the wrong term) and was indeed obtained legally a few weeks ago by the shooter.

    I could say a lot about that, but I will bite my tongue.
    Not sure of the spelling; Glok, Gloque? Glock? Semi Automatic with extended clip (room for extra rounds). I'm all for self defense, the right to arm bears etc but this is not on the order of "I'm just keeping this in case someone breaks in one night to steal my commuter bike"

    BTW I was wrong about it being elderly gents who restrained the shooter. This is a great tragedy and yet could have been much worse but for a woman who had been shot and yet disarmed him: and the two gents who tackled him afterwards.

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    Okay, I've gotta say it.

    Let's assume the equivalencies were true.

    On what planet is that relevant?

    "They're doing it too-oo" wasn't an excuse for leaving my toys lying around when I was three, and it certainly isn't an excuse for adults inciting to murder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OakLeaf View Post
    On what planet is that relevant??
    This planet. It's completely relevant in a discussion of whether political vitriol contributed to this crime (I don't personally think it did, but that's probably age).

    Partisan finger-pointing (featuring plenty of "my side is being treated unfairly" whining) is inevitable and completely useless, but pointing out the bipartisan nature of vitriol is valid.

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    I hope we can all agree that Fred Phelps is a jerk, because it looks pretty certain that the Westboro Baptist Church will be descending upon our city to picket the funerals of the fallen. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0...?ref=fb&src=sp
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