sorry Nanci - I just saw this today. I have the REI Novara Express and I love them. I do tend to layer under them since they are my "last-defense-coz-it's-really-cold" pants but I"ve worn them for 2 winters now and would highly recommend them.
Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, champagne in one hand, strawberries in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming: "Yeah Baby! What a Ride!"