Thanks for all the advice and encouragement. My first bike (Cannondale) had no overlap, second bike did (Ritchey) and my present bike (Giant TCR) does not.

I'm a long time rider and I do know the drill...but still I find overlap disconcerting. No, I don't need to do figure 8s at the end of my cul-de-sac but once I did need to do an emergency U-turn in the middle of a busy steet and just about killed myself. If your foot rubs the tire, a little scary, but if your foot ends up on the other side of the wheel....I hope you're wearing your helmet. I sold the Ritchey for that reason only.

I rode a brand new Felt ZW (small) yesterday (woman's model) and it had no overlap and the frame fit me well. Unfortunately, the carbon felt no different at all from my aluminum frame. Not sure if it is the quality of the carbon, the cheaper wheels or whatever...but if I am going to upgrade from aluminum to carbon then I want to feel some of that smoothness I keep reading about. The Felt looked nice and fit well....but just "felt" like everything else I've ridden.

So...back to the Look 585 Optimum. From the pics I've seen and the front-center dimensions I've seen it does appear I will probably have overlap. The frame gets rave reviews is supposed to be one of the best anywhere and I'm getting a very good price....guess I'll have to consider the trade-off.

Thanks again.

Steve