Hmmm. Saddle now raised, moved forward slightly and tilted very slightly forward. I'm not 100% convinced but need to do a test ride that isn't just around the garden a few times. I do like the new height though, the LBS owner showed me what height it should be and I feel much taller. I've been practising starting and stopping out of the saddle, then realised that a very unhappy dd had woken from her nap