I often wear my short finger gloves under a pair of Descente "Cold Out" long finger padless gloves, it isn't very practical in Texas to have beefy gloves. The Descente gloves are wonderfully comfortable. I won a pair of Kona Supreme Mountain Bike gloves for women and they run very small, mine are just like the link but pink and black. I usually wear a medium and these are snug at XL. I haven't gotten to try them in action yet.