Stem replacement and handling

[sarahspins]

In general, I think anything shorter than a 7cm stem effects your steering stability. I put on a 5 once, rode with it for about 1000 miles and decided the wobbly hill climbing was something I didn't want to keep. I went back to a 7 and it was fine. but everyone's different.

I agree.. my Mixte came with a 60cm stem (and 34cm bars!) and "twitchy" was the only appropriate way to describe it.. it did not work for me. Those same bars and stem are on my 9 year old son's mixte and he does great on it, but that bike has smaller tires and a shorter wheelbase, so I think it kind of makes up for the short stem. My kid is short too

As far as the seat nose to the handlebar clamp..I'm nowhere close (middle finger is about 2cm past the headset), but I have a short saddle (the 's' brooks) so it may not be a fair comparison.. I might just reach it with a 'standard' brooks. That said, the reach on my felt is perfect for *me*, and that's all I'm worried about.. I've not had a professional fit on it, but I am not having any "problems" on it either.. I've had the bike 7 months now, and I still adore it.

I think the "can't see the hub in the drops" is probably a more accurate way of seeing if you're in the "general right area" over the bars, since there are a lot of factors that influence the reach of your bike.. but even then, maybe you have a long/short neck, or very long/short arms.. it's an average that may apply to some, but certainly can't apply to all. I wouldn't rely on any one measurement alone in determining if your stem is too long, other than how the bike actually feels when you ride. If you feel too stretched out or you think you have too much weight on your hands, then it might be too long, but it's not always the stem that's too long in that case... it could be the frame too, you can only adjust the stem so much, after that it might be time to try a different size frame, and at that point it's probably very wise to consult a good fitter for help.

[Owlie]

Good points all. Something with this bike is not exactly right, and I don't quite know what it is. My guess it's some combination of saddle, lack of core strength and a slightly too long reach. I've got some more questions for you...

BSG: Yeah, there's a little vanity involved, but the primary reason for changing the angle would be a more upright position. I'm quite comfortable-- save the arm soreness and a bit of mashed 'girly parts'-- in the position I'm in now.

When you mention the stem length, do you mean length of the "body" of the stem, or the length that "projects" in front of the bike? Are we drawing triangles and playing with the Pythagorean theorem? I imagine the former, but physics and I had a bad relationship.

Ridebikeme: I'm having a little trouble visualizing this. So, get on the bike, get in the drops, then focus on where the hub should be. If you're in the right neighborhood, it should be obscured by...what?

Oh, Seajay answered that for me. And good suggestion on the bars, since I hang out on the hoods, have tiny hands and would like shallower drops. (And maybe carbon, but that's something else all together.)

I'm booking a bike fit as soon as I can come up with transport to the LBS and the $$...at the same time.

[ridebikeme]

Owlie... if you are in the drops and looking to see if you can see the front hub the stem/handlebar might block your view. Again, this is a very basic way to check length, but definietly NOT an absolute. A bike fit is always better because it entails so much more than sight.... flexibility, top tube/stem/ lengths and what is comfortable. There are many factors related to fit. If you insist on doing this yourself, then record everything and ride for a while, and make very small adjustments. If you truly have an idea of what you are looking for, then put your bike on a trainer and watch yourself pedal in a mirror.

But I still suggest a bike fit

[BleeckerSt_Girl]

BSG: Yeah, there's a little vanity involved, but the primary reason for changing the angle would be a more upright position. I'm quite comfortable-- save the arm soreness and a bit of mashed 'girly parts'-- in the position I'm in now.

I wouldn't be able to put up with mashed girl bits.

When you mention the stem length, do you mean length of the "body" of the stem, or the length that "projects" in front of the bike? Are we drawing triangles and playing with the Pythagorean theorem?

It's the length of extension/projection, measured between center of vertical part of stem, to center of handlebars as they go through the stem:
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7.../QuillStem.jpg

[Chicken Little]

Where is your seat in relation to the seat post clamps?

[Owlie]

BSG: Thanks.

Chicken: Currently, it's all the way at the rear stop. I need to move it back a hair to deal with the above-mentioned mashed parts (DBF trying to be helpful again...).

[Cataboo]

ARe you sure you just don't need another saddle that doesn't mash your girlie bits?

Do you have the nose of the saddle just tilted slightly downwards?

[OakLeaf]

When you mention the stem length, do you mean length of the "body" of the stem, or the length that "projects" in front of the bike? Are we drawing triangles and playing with the Pythagorean theorem? I imagine the former, but physics and I had a bad relationship.

As Lisa said, stem length refers to the physical length of the stem, but you have to remember - especially when you've got an adjustable stem and especially when you're taking it to extreme angles - that changing the angle does change the handlebar offset (which is what you need either plumb lines or Pythagoras to measure) - and it's the offset that actually affects your handling.


And it sounds like they're right, that it's the saddle that's your real problem.

[Chicken Little]

I'm going with the saddle theory here, too.