Still trying to ban bicycles in Missouri county

[TrekTheKaty]

It is getting a little silly. I have a red flashing light that I used to use while riding the road. I honestly felt people slowed down and gave me more room (because they could see me farther away?). I don't remember when I quit using it. I don't currently have a mirror. My previous one fell off while riding on the bike rack. I don't know that I want to see the cars bearing down on me. I'd probably spend most of my time in the ditch But I would buy another one if it made the city council happy.

However, last weekend we took the kayaks out. After paddling away from the dock, I saw my DH had carefully tucked his life jacket into the rear straps of the kayak. I looked around and told him I hope he got ticketed by the coast guard.

Now ask me why one and not the other? I don't know. I have taken up someone's philosophy of not talking to people that don't wear helmet. Don't know that it helps.......

This is a tremendous step down from the outright ban. I think we're getting somewhere. I'm going to tonight's meeting.

[Bike Chick]

Please give us a report when you return from the meeting. This is absolutely ridiculous! I've never ridden the road and probably never will but DH and I have signed every petition in the bike shops in St Louis, the one on the website and added it to my FB page. The whole idea just chaps my a$$

[Eden]

I don't have a bike mirror and have no plans to get one..... I tried one years ago, found it less effective and user friendly than simply turning my head, thus never replaced it when it broke or was lost. Not being from MO, if I was ever passing through said area, I'd be one of those people who have no idea of that particular law and wouldn't have the piece of equipment..

IMHO rear view mirrors make sense in cars where the can be sufficiently large, there are multiple blind spots and speeds are generally much faster. They don't necessarily work so well for cyclists. Glasses mounted ones tend to not work at all once a person needs readers..

[TrekTheKaty]

While waiting for the meeting to start, a couple sat down next to me and caught me up on the last meeting. Apparently, one gentleman stood up and said he taught his teenage daughters to treat cyclists like deer--don't swerve just hit em straight on!

However, I'd say the meeting went to the cyclists. It started with a sweet grandpa type who said he had been cycling for his health for 70 years, lived in the county and last he checked, it was a free country. He didn't believe in banning anything.

Several excellent presentations included: driving away potential businesses that are looking to improve the health of their employees, loss of tourism (including the loss of tourists for the Tour of Missouri), the reasons why staying within 20 inches of the white line is unsafe, how much it will cost the tax payers to defend the suit MoDot promises will follow, where the county can get federal funding to educate motorists and cyclists how to coexist safely, and questioning why the county isn't concentrating on the bigger issues facing our country at this point in the economy.

The one anti-cycling person's rant was, "when I honk because I want to pass the cyclists use an obscene gesture" and finished with "bicycles aren't vehicles and they don't have a right be on the road."

The next person said, "I'm so glad I followed him, because, as the council knows, Missouri state law says a bicycle is a vehicle with a right to be on the road."

One farmer said, "I'm not against bicycles, but I need to see you. I frequently cross the road in my truck or on my tractor. A flag, lights, mirrors, signs whatever it takes because I really don't want to hurt anyone."

A few residents showed up to say they live in the stated area, and haven't had any trouble with bicycles holding up traffic.

And this wasn't the big topic of the night. Apparently, there is a heated fight amongst taxidermists and the city council involving permits. (Cyclists came in as pro-taxidermy). I should go to those meetings more often!

[OakLeaf]

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Glasses mounted ones tend to not work at all once a person needs readers..

That's just not the case.

I just upped my reading glasses to +2.00, and I have zero trouble with my glasses mounted mirror.

You're not focusing on the surface of the mirror, you're focusing on the thing that's reflected.

As I posted several weeks ago, try it at home in the mirror. Get so close to your bathroom mirror that you can't focus on your own face ... then look through the mirror at the wall behind you. It's perfectly clear.


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Trek, thanks for going to the meeting. We all need more advocates for cycling!

[TrekTheKaty]

/partial hijack
As I posted several weeks ago, try it at home in the mirror. Get so close to your bathroom mirror that you can't focus on your own face ... then look through the mirror at the wall behind you. It's perfectly clear.
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OK, just that description makes me dizzy. My brother-in-law has a mirror. His designated role is in the back of the line and to yell "car back!"

[Eden]

Perhaps I should amend that to I've heard lots of people who need readers say glasses mounted mirrors don't work for them (as I don't use a mirror and don't yet need readers, I can't tell you my personal experience). It's been years, but I seem to recall it was just too small and too jumpy for me to like it. I can turn my head without moving my bike and find it better for me than trying to focus on an itty bitty mirror. Plus having something hanging around out there in my peripheral vision is annoying and distracting to me.

And indeed - thanks for the report. It's nice to know that there are people out defending against counties/cities/municipalities that try to ban bikes, or make it so difficult to use one that its impossible or unsafe to do it legally.

[PamNY]

IMHO rear view mirrors make sense in cars where the can be sufficiently large, there are multiple blind spots and speeds are generally much faster. They don't necessarily work so well for cyclists. Glasses mounted ones tend to not work at all once a person needs readers..

I use the glasses-mounted ones and have no problems (I'm at about 2.00 readers). There are times when I turn my head to look; IMO you should be able to do both. Mirrors definitely help, though they aren't the first thing I would legislate if I were making the rules.

[Bike Chick]

Latest update on St. Charles Bike Ban. Perhaps the voice of reason has prevailed. I see this as a victory.

http://mobikefed.org/content/st-char...still-consider

[ScaldedCat]

Makes me so glad I live in the U.K, things are far from perfect in many areas for cyclists here but in general we get treated pretty well and the government both national and local is funding (or has been at least) initiatives to get more people cycling.

Stories from the U.S such as this one are often discussed on our cycling forums here to, we find some of the attitudes displayed by the individuals and organizations trying to enact these laws to be utterly bizarre.
I think cyclists here aren't suprised though that you have to overcome obstacles like this in a nation where the car and the oil industry is king and have been for a long time.

[Melalvai]

I wonder if the Missouri Bicycle & Pedestrian Federation, or the St. Louis Regional Bicycle Federation, have seen an increase in membership as a result of the attempted St. Charles County bike ban and the publicity that went along with it!