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  1. #1
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    Are you willing to pay extra money so you can have someone to give you that driver's test every ten years?

    Are you willing to pay extra taxes so that there can be an after school program to teach kids bike safety? It can't happen during school time - I don't have enough time to cover my required curriculum.

    And maybe you as an individual are willing to pay for those services, but do you think society at large is?

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    That argument, though I'm sure it would be effective for many, only looks at the short term and doesn't see the forest for the trees.

    Automobile accidents are expensive too - to the tune of $230 billion per year. If a prevention program worked it wouldn't necessarily add to the average person's cost of living, and could possibly actually save money. How much higher are your insurance premiums (health and auto) because of all those accidents? How much more in taxes do you pay because of benefits to people who are hurt or killed, to support hospitals who treat the uninsured? To support people after their lives and finances have been torn apart? Prevention is generally cheaper than cure....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veronica View Post
    Are you willing to pay extra money so you can have someone to give you that driver's test every ten years?

    Are you willing to pay extra taxes so that there can be an after school program to teach kids bike safety? It can't happen during school time - I don't have enough time to cover my required curriculum.

    And maybe you as an individual are willing to pay for those services, but do you think society at large is?

    Veronica
    Yes, I'd pay for the test. The fee in my state for a road test is $26.50. That seems fair to me, especially if it was only every 10 years or so.

    I'm sure most other people wouldn't want to pay for it, would argue it takes too much time, is not fair, whatever. I'm sure it would be extremely unpopular. I think it would probably make people better drivers, though. Maybe insurance providers, or AAA could give discounts for a good score.

    I'm not sure how I feel about teaching kids bike safety after school with tax dollars. It certainly would have helped me avoid being doored when I was 14. Do schools still teach driver's ed, and is that covered by taxes?
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    I would pay more for my driver's license if it meant it was harder to get one. When I renewed mine last year (done every six years) it was $25. That is $4.17 a year! Judging by the number of people I see carelessly driving I would happily test again to prove I am not one of them. Driving isn't a right, it is a privilege and should be regulated as such. I had been tested at 26 to make sure I was still up to par on driving I would have accepted it. Or if they based it off your driving record, I have known people who have had wrecks every 3 years that were their fault and they are just cruising along with the rest of us!
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    In a perfect world, driver's license tests would be more frequent, and enforcement of traffic laws would be better.

    Cyclists would be licensed, too, and somehow prevented from phoning/texting while on the bike.

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    In a perfect world, everyone would follow the law. Therefore, we wouldn't need any additional testing, fees, whatever.

    You can have all the laws you want. Doesn't mean every single person will follow them.
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    I took my drivers licence when I was 35. I was freaking terrified. I was adult, conscientious, aware, a mother, a seasoned cyclist well used to duelling it out at close quarters with cars, trucks and motorcycles at high speed, and I was terrified I'd kill someone.

    I realize now that much of that feeling was not having car handling under my skin, and now that I drive regularly I know the car and how to position it a lot better. But I try to never forget that feeling of how much you don't see from a drivers seat, and how very little time it takes to lose control. The feeling of danger I had was exaggerated, but still real and justified. I use that memory to remind myself to practice often and keep up my skills, and to actively judge if I should drive at all under difficult conditions.

    I would welcome a compulsory re-test for a drivers licence after ten years. At age 16 (18 here) you may be old enough to master the physical act of driving, but at age 26 you're a responsible adult old enough to really come to grips with what you're doing and how it can affect lives.
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    A repeat test would be good, but what about people who WILLFULLY don't follow laws? I'm sure plenty of people know that they SHOULD use their turn signal and not run red lights, and that tailtgating while going 80 mph is a bad idea...but would remember well enough to behave with an instructor in the car.


    A lot of people get so entitled behind the wheel. I like the theory - I can't remember who wrote the essay - but if we all drove around with a giant metal spike sticking out of our steering wheels and no seatbelts, we'd all be much better drivers.

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    Around here, most towns do driver's ed through Community Education; not part of HS curriculum. So, subsidized a little by taxes, but parents still have to pay a nice sum. Most people I know send their kids to private driving schools, where it is easier to schedule the behind the wheel time required.
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