Lizzy, thanks for the lead on the shorts. I'll look into it. I thought that I found something that worked -- the Shebeest Elite Distance Shorts (bought from TE). I used them in a century recently and loved them, so I ordered 2 more. Wouldn't you know it .... Shebeest CHANGED the pad! It's flimsier now. I haven't had a chance to use them on a long ride (over 50 miles) so I don't know if they'll work. I've had the flu so haven't been riding much since I bought them. I just rode 30 miles today and I'm not so sure that they'll work for the longer rides, but I will give them a chance next weekend, probably ride a metric or so, building my mileage back up. I agree w/your comment about the Serfas, sort of what I meant about being thicker. Squishy doesn't hold up on long rides.

And pedalfaster, thanks for the lead on Titec Berserkr. I hadn't heard of that one. I'll keep my eye out for that. Re my road riding, I don't TT, so as you said the nose is probably not an issue. After I look around I may find that my Liberator Ti Race may be Ok for the road compared to the others.

Christy