BC - The Mini starts in downtown Indy but you hit the race track at about mile 7 which honestly is just plain evil! You know if I wasn't going to be living in Philadelphia by December I would be interested in the Memphis HM. I'm thinking about a nice one in Philly somewhere. I'd like to do one with some hills. I train on hills in the local park which had made me much better at that than I anticipated. Helps when you already have bike thighs, there's a reason those shorts wouldn't fit.