Mom in turmoil/Daughter in Trouble

[shootingstar]

I don't have anything much different to add here at this time, except presumably the nickname of her abusive boyfriend, is not something you use with daughter-his girlfriend.

You are strong ACG, to have left your own past relationship situation.

Wishing you ongoing closeness and good loving discussions amongst you and both daughters.

[crazycanuck]

I just wanted to say what a great mom you are. Thank you for doing what you can for her.

Take care

[Grog]

Thank you for being the lucid mother you are. This must be very difficult for you. *gentle hug* I hope things work out for the best.

[PamNY]

You sound like such a good mom, with compassion and insight. Your daughter is lucky to have you.

[polly4711]

Hi, Sorry that this is kind of a long response, but I'm speaking from experience.

1) I think that you are a great mother for doing what you have done. As you know, it takes a lot of self confidence to leave that kind of situation... and it isn't gained by someone telling you to do it.

2) I have been in a relationship like both you and your daughter. Although I am only 23 years old, I've been there. My parents have been married for 35+ years now, but I was repeating the drama that was created from a semi-abusive foster sister.

My best advice is to guide your daughter to make the right decision. I dated this guy for 7 months, and saw therapy for 3 of them while we were dating, and another almost 8 months later so that I could get my self grounded again. (OH! and I went to my university's health center and it was 100% free!) When involved in this kind of relationship, deep down, we all know that there is something wrong, it's just not something that we want to admit to ourselves. The guy I dated, let's call him EC, did the EXACT same things as your ex and your daughters BF. The police said that my saving grace was that he lived a few hours away. From his behavior, they guessed that he would have abused me if we would have spent more than a month together in the same city.

Let you daughter know that you are concerned about the health of their relationship. Ask her to think about a few things... not to respond, but just think:
- Does she think that it is 'normal' for her to go on a family trip and have the person that you love so much threaten to kill them self?
- Does she want to continue to live a life where she cannot go on a family trip without worrying if this person that she 'loves' will be alive when she returns?

Let your daughter know that you will be here for her and love her no matter what.

^^Just as a FYI, although some college campuses are ungated and 'open' they are usually considered private property. During this time of trying to break up, EC threatened to come over so that he could 'show me how much he loved me, because once I saw him, then I would know.' I broke down and called the police that night. If he steps on my University's campus, he goes to jail. It's not a restraining order, the campus police are just allowed to determine who's allowed on campus or who isn't.
^^I would also let your local police station know what's going on. Else, I would at least begin to keep records. If you call someone more than 16 times within a certain time period, it's considered harassment (you will need to check on the details).

Protect yourself and your younger daughter. In the end, it's your older's daughters decision.

Please PM me if you want to talk more about this, share experiences, or just need someone.

[OakLeaf]

(((((ACG and family)))))

I think Polly has really excellent advice.

I would add what I think you already know, that it may take your daughter several attempts to leave her boyfriend for good, so try not to get frustrated with her if she leaves and then goes back.

I think it's a good idea to let her know where you're coming from, but I don't think it's a good idea to put rigid conditions on your offers of help. Odds are that if she slips, she will feel too ashamed (or too financially strapped) to let you know. I know it's not what you meant, but it may feel to her like your love and support are conditional (which is what relationships tend to feel like to abuse victims, anyhow).

Take good care. Be proud of getting yourself out of that situation, and of being such a good mother.

[lph]

Just wanted to echo - you really are a fantastic mom for having the insight and experience to deal with this. You probably would rather not have that experience, but most mothers wouldn't be able to do what you can here.

[uforgot]

Notice the contrast between:
I tried to leave, and was told by my mom, to stay. Live with it. You can’t live here with me. Won’t help you pay for a divorce.

and

I have offered to help her find a place, to let her live with me, to help pay for things. To help her re-start her life.



You are already trying to break the cycle. The choices we make in relationships are not by chance. There are reasons for it. Unless the reasons and internalized feelings are addressed, chances are that both of you will continue to make these choices. Read about it, seek counseling, whatever it takes, and continue to talk about it. This message board is probably a good place as you will find a lot of people who have been right there with you. I find that even close friends don't always understand the dynamics of a family. This goes way back before either of you started these relationships. Your family growing up. Take a good look at it, were you allowed a voice? your own choices and feelings?

Anyway, your daughter has to make her own choices and you can continue to support and love her and help her when she is ready. I think you also need to take care of yourself. You may think you are out of the fire, but chances are you need to find out why you married him in the first place, and you probably need some help doing that.

Take care.