Indy

I am all too familiar with the group you are referring, I fortunately had other obligations the night of the fatality and was not there. I quit going shortly after that incident. It's like they were a little more careful but then there were these hothead guys that just kept being idiots. I seriously get so annoyed by the testosterone floating around at some of those rides, makes me want to put my frame pump in their spokes

ALL

I have often wondered if some of the stupidity of these groups is stemming from a lack of guidance of new riders by older or more experienced riders? I was lucky when I started riding and found some good people to ride with and learn from but it doesn't seem like that is always the case? However I didn't learn much about etiquette and rules of the road until I started commuting hard core so I think a lot of this gets overlooked by the local clubs/groups. I suppose my view is that we need to start having more classes on etiquette and the laws. I like the idea of a code of conduct too.