WWTEPD??- aka What Would TE Peeps Do

[WindingRoad]

Indy

I am all too familiar with the group you are referring, I fortunately had other obligations the night of the fatality and was not there. I quit going shortly after that incident. It's like they were a little more careful but then there were these hothead guys that just kept being idiots. I seriously get so annoyed by the testosterone floating around at some of those rides, makes me want to put my frame pump in their spokes

ALL

I have often wondered if some of the stupidity of these groups is stemming from a lack of guidance of new riders by older or more experienced riders? I was lucky when I started riding and found some good people to ride with and learn from but it doesn't seem like that is always the case? However I didn't learn much about etiquette and rules of the road until I started commuting hard core so I think a lot of this gets overlooked by the local clubs/groups. I suppose my view is that we need to start having more classes on etiquette and the laws. I like the idea of a code of conduct too.

[Fredwina]

It hard, as we've got some of same problems.
I'll agree with windingroad's comments - I was midly surprised that a lot of our riders don't know how to softpedal
Doing a hammerfest ride in urban environment has it's problems The goal of hanging with the group is hard when you have lights every half mile and no one wants to regroup, plus the mentoring is more aimed towards race training than touring
LE crackdowns - i'm not sure that will help outside of confisticating bikes. We've had the police call us, but....
Right now, i'm doing my own ride and joining up for coffee hour. besides some floks don't like my cool bike

[bmccasland]

Yeah, but Arizona does have the advantage of long wide open roads, if one is willing to drive about 15 minutes more beyond the urban limits. So the hammerfest gang could drive a bit further for their start and not have the urban issues.