religious wars; bike lanes removed and repainted

[Crankin]

owlice, I meant the comparison was apt in terms of the lifestyle and the degree to which the (male) religious establishment wants to keep the women "protected" from outsiders. You are right, in that I would not fear violence from most Hasids, although there is a history (Maher Kahane in the '70's).
In general, I try to keep an open mind, but trying to shield women from the outside world is not something that I can condone in any religion, even my own. Domestic violence is a somewhat unspoken issue in the Orthodox community in general, which upsets me. Somehow, that "woman of valor" thing gets twisted around.
I wonder how this will be resolved.

[IvonaDestroi]

Seperation of church and state anyone? ANYONE???

umm safety is the issue? no bike lane is safer??? I think that might just be an excuse to undercut the actual religious issues of seeing the real world around them not conforming to their personal beliefs.

and on the topic of hipsters:I hate them. They are just rich kids pretending to be poor, following the latest mtv trends religiously, trying to be cool with no actual respect for any of the origins of what they think is trendy. They ride colorful fixed gear bicycles that their parents pay for, and think that makes them cool. they ride not because they love to cycle, but because it is trendy. The only reason they are 'protesting' like that is because they know mommy and daddy will always bail them out.


and an amusing definition of hipster from urbandictionary.com:

hipster:
Listens to bands that you have never heard of. Has hairstyle that can only be described as "complicated." (Most likely achieved by a minimum of one week not washing it.) Probably tattooed. Maybe gay. Definitely cooler than you. Reads Black Book, Nylon, and the Styles section of the New York Times. Drinks Pabst Blue Ribbon. Often. Complains. Always denies being a hipster. Hates the word. Probably living off parents money - and spends a great deal of it to look like they don't have any. Has friends and/or self cut hair. Dyes it frequently (black, white-blonde, etc. and until scalp bleeds). Has a closet full of clothing but usually wears same three things OVER AND OVER (most likely very tight black pants, scarf, and ironic tee-shirt). Chips off nail polish artfully after $50 manicure. Sleeps with everyone and talks about it at great volume in crowded coffee shops. Addicted to coffee, cigarettes (Parliaments, Kamel Reds, Lucky Strikes, etc.), and possibly cocaine. Claims to be in a band. Rehearsals consist of choosing outfits for next show and drinking PBR. Always on the list. Majors or majored in art, writing, or queer studies. Name-drops. May go by "Penny Lane," "Eleanor Rigby," etc. when drunk.

[Zen]

"Probably tattooed. Maybe gay. Definitely cooler than you. Has a closet full of clothing but usually wears same three things OVER AND OVER (most likely very tight black pants, scarf, and ironic tee-shirt). Addicted to coffee, and possibly cocaine. Claims to be in a band. . Majors or majored in art"

I think I might be a hipster

[owlice]

Crankin, points taken!

Zen, oh, say it isn't so!

[7rider]

"Probably tattooed. Maybe gay. Definitely cooler than you. Has a closet full of clothing but usually wears same three things OVER AND OVER (most likely very tight black pants, scarf, and ironic tee-shirt). Addicted to coffee, and possibly cocaine. Claims to be in a band. . Majors or majored in art"

Holy crow. You just described my nephew to a tee. And my ... what is he? My step-nephew??

[PamNY]

and an amusing definition of hipster from urbandictionary.com:

hipster:
Reads...the Styles section of the New York Times.

I am choking on my post-ride complex carbs here. I knew somebody must read the Styles section...now I know who.

Thanks for the laugh.

Pam