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    Young Survivors

    I'm not sure if this is allowed, if not I'll remove the link/post, but I think it tells a side of the story on the new mammography/self-exam guidelines better than anything else I have read (or written). The link is to a FB page (I know, FB ), it is the Young Survival Coalition fan page. It appears to be open to everyone because I logged out and tried the link and it worked. It starts about mid-page.

    I think their stories and comments help us to understand why there is the outrage toward the new guidelines and also maybe help those younger than 50 understand the risk of following them. http://bit.ly/3S1Wy6

    I hope this isn't viewed as political or something, but I think it is just too important a subject not to post this.
    "It is never too late to be what you might have been."

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    Ultimately, the public needs to set aside automatic enthusiasm for screening and develop a new kind of savvy—one that balances hope with a certain dose of healthy skepticism and leads people to embark on testing only after considering a host of variables, both personal and scientific. As it turns out, in cancer screening, as in so much else, there really isn't a free lunch.
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    Pretty much sums up how I think about it.

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    New meta-analysis on the risks of radiation - mammography more than doubles rates of breast cancer in high-risk women.
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    I'm always a little hesitant to embrace met-analysis "results."

    The farther you get from the actual research, the less faith you can have in your findings.

    Summaries of meta-analyses even more so. Once this is published in a journal, peer reviewed, original articles are listed, and the students explain how they made the jump from "early cancer found by mammogram in women with a family history" to "cancer caused by mammogram;" then I'll be glad to read it. Tumors don't wear a little banner saying "I was caused by ---"

    Original research is grindingly slow and frustrating work. (2 years down and results presented at an international conference, now the long process of getting published) But at least I know my data, and every single one of the subjects in my study, and exactly what I did, and how I came to my conclusions. I stand behind my results. If instead I had done a re-structuring and re-filtering and re-assessing book report of the published work of 5 other groups... well, I couldn't in good faith stand behind that.

    The headline could just as easily be: "mammography more than doubles rates of early cancer detection in high-risk women." As time passes and technology advances it is inevitable that we begin finding cancers earlier in one generation than it was found in the previous generation.

    Detection method does not imply cause. Kind of like if my Grandma never went to a dentist until she was 50, and they found a bad cavity and the tooth had to be pulled. She tells me I'm at high risk of cavities, so I go to the dentist every year. He finds a small cavity when I'm 30. Do I turn around and say that seeing the dentist early and regularly caused my cavity? Nope. But I could do a meta-analysis that would "prove" exactly that. And should I stop flossing my teeth and looking at my teeth until I'm 50, and then start going to the dentist? Nope.
    Last edited by KnottedYet; 12-02-2009 at 05:18 AM.
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    All points well taken.

    But no one disputes that radiation causes cancer, and that there is no safe dose. The only question they're trying to resolve is the precise degree of the harm.

    When I had my biopsy, I asked about the radiation dose. At that point I had decided to have it done, but I wanted the information so I could make decisions about future radiation exposure. The surgeon told me the radiologist would tell me. The radiologist told me the radiation physicist would tell me.

    And the radiation physicist - I do not exaggerate - called me up four or five months later and tried to explain to me that radiation is actually good for me, because there's some village in Eastern Europe located on a radioactive lake where the cancer rate is lower than that of the entire United States. And despite my telling him several times that I wasn't particularly upset about it or interested in arguing costs vs. benefits, he never did give me the information.
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    Radiation dose of a digital mammogram: 0.7 msv
    Normal background radiation dose: 2.4 msv

    Your exposure to daily background radiation is nearly 4x what you get from a digital mammo.

    This is like the difference between standing outside in the sun waiting for the bus vs. standing in a dark room while someone shines a flashlight in your face. What's the sunburn risk? I don't get a sunburn waiting for a bus. Someone with severe light sensetivity will get sunburned from a flashlight.

    Your exposure is even higher if you live at high elevation or where there are high radon concentrations in the ground or groundwater. The background radiation in Denver CO is higher than what the gov't deems safe. If Denver followed the lowest safe dose reccommendations set by the government, it would be evacuated as dangerously radioactive. Yet Denver has an extraordinarily low cancer rate.

    Women with a genetic tendency to develop cancers have a genetically moderated problem in which their bodies don't correct the normal everyday damage/rogue cell we all experience every single day. Every single day of your life, your body is killing mutated cells. (apoptosis) You have "cancer" in your body at all times. Every moment.

    Women whose bodies don't recognize damaged/mutated cells as well as everyone else will have more cells slip through the cracks. If those mutated cells get a foothold, they will become a tumor. Younger tissue has a higher radiosensitivity, meaning it is more susceptible to damage from any source of radiation. Cigarettes. Airplane rides. Trips to Denver. Clutching a book (paper is radioactive) to your bosom. Even though mammo radiation is much less than background radiation, most doctors will tell younger women with a history of poor apoptosis control to have breast MRI instead until they are older.

    Of 1,000,000 women getting mammograms over their lifetime, there will be an estimated 2-10 tumors induced by the radiation (which are found in the next mammo and treated). 1,000,000 lifetimes of mammograms saves 1,000 lives.
    Last edited by KnottedYet; 12-02-2009 at 10:40 AM.
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    0.7 msv per view (more for dense or large breasts). Two views (minimum) per breast, two breasts per most women. 2.8 msv. And that's just the screening mammos.

    Background radiation is unavoidable, but that doesn't mean that doubling it is good, or even that it's okay.

    Here's Barbara Ehrenreich (a breast cancer survivor herself) weighing in today.
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