I wear Patagonia capilene wicking seamless panties under _most_ of my shorts. I just like it better that way. I _tried_ to change, but, since I wasn't having any problems with seams, and since commando grosses me out, no matter _what_ the application, male or female, I quit worrying about it.

Now, I _do_ have those Trashy Cat Sunflower shorts, which are so sheer I'm not comfortable wearing panties with them, and they, fortunately, fit just right so I don't feel uncomfortable without them.

My Trashy Cat Black Satin Shorts, OTOH, (which have my all-time favorite chamois!!!! I wish I could afford many pairs, in all the colors!!!) are slightly more comfortable, _to me_, with panties. And the Primals and horrible Sugoi tri shorts are just out of the question for commando. I think, the slinkier the fit, the better with no undies.

One thing no one ever mentions, so maybe it's just me, but I can _feel_ my thigh touch (and stick to) my ever-shrinking-but-still-fattish belly or whatever you call it, right in the crease of the front of the leg, on every upstroke, when commando. Yikes!! Doesn't happen when I have panties on, because that bare skin is tightly covered. It's really distracting.

I find Udder Balm is great for long runs/rides to protect the skin from being irritated by salt (from sweat)/urine. Geez, those who have to pee while on the bike, say in a race, I just can't imagine how you ever get comfortable again...

Nanci