I have the Orbea Onix Dama TDF and I absolutely love everything about it - including the stock saddle - the Terry Butterfly suits me perfect. It is my first road bike - I was actually looking at bike with the 105 components but the bike I purchased was in stock at the LBS with the Ultegra and the price was fantastic (I got the 2009). However everyone's built differently and has different needs so I would definitely try it out (as well as a few others). BTW - the Orbea was not one of the bikes I was looking at (I was testing the Cannondale and Specialized WSD bikes) - however the guys at the LBS encouraged me to try the Orbea and the rest is history.