Quote Originally Posted by uforgot View Post
You know, I just went out and made my saddle even with my bars. I swear, if this has been my problem all along...

I have been through so many stems it isn't even funny. I may try even lower, since hearing from you. Thanks for the input!
You lowered your saddle? - That will cause problems with your legs/knees if you have your saddle too low... or did you have the lee way to raise your bars? From what you've said it sounds like you've lowered your saddle - That's kind of the important part - you want your leg to be fully extended with just a tiny bend when the pedal is all of the way down (fully extended if you put your heel on the pedal). Only differently sized cranks would change where your saddle height is.

Bar height doesn't really have one "right" place - it totally depends on your personal flexibility, desires, riding style. Different people, even if they happen to be the same size could be comfortable with widely varying amounts of drop on a bicycle that was otherwise pretty much the same size.