WoolWeenies Club

**KnottedYet** · 10-04-2009, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by OakLeaf

Knot, you are EVIL. I just spent way too much at TE last week, and now you post something I must. have. ????!!!!

Did you buy one of these? http://www.teamestrogen.com/prodSU_19702F_0.html

Isn't that color just delicious? I love the red with the charcoal. And 210g wool is a nice weight, kind of a heavy t-shirt weight and good for blustery days under a cozy wool vest. I keep thinking how awesome it would look with a pair of slightly faded jeans.

And it would go so well with the red and black theme of my Cross Check!
And it's on sale!

How can I resist?

**OakLeaf** · 10-04-2009, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by KnottedYet

Did you buy one of these? http://www.teamestrogen.com/prodSU_19702F_0.html

No, one of these: http://www.teamestrogen.com/product-view.ep?pID=107206

and a bunch of other stuff.

**BleeckerSt_Girl** · 10-05-2009, 03:58 AM

What does "MAPP" merino wool mean?

I can't find any definition on the web. "100% MAPP merino wool".... huh?

**Cataboo** · 10-05-2009, 04:04 AM

Originally Posted by BleeckerSt_Girl

What does "MAPP" merino wool mean?

I can't find any definition on the web. "100% MAPP merino wool".... huh?

http://www.mapp.co.nz/

**KnottedYet** · 10-05-2009, 06:37 AM

Originally Posted by Catriona

http://www.mapp.co.nz/

That is a very very cool website! Thank you for finding it!

(oh, man, I love the picture on the home page!)

I wonder if Joneswares' hi-vis wool is this stuff? http://www.mapp.co.nz/work_wear/hi-vis.php (they have the Zque logo on their site, so seems like it could be)

**Biciclista** · 10-05-2009, 06:38 AM

what I want to know is why does my new Green Ibex jacket have a label that says "FINE AUSTRIAN WOOL" on it??
(Not australian!?)

**KnottedYet** · 10-05-2009, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by Biciclista

what I want to know is why does my new Green Ibex jacket have a label that says "FINE AUSTRIAN WOOL" on it??
(Not australian!?)

Because the loden wool fabric was bought from a factory in Austria? Is it a loden jacket?

ETA: oooh, this is a nice looking loden.... now look at what you made me do! http://www.ibexwear.com/shop/product...-europa-jacket

EATA: Is this what you got? http://www.ibexwear.com/shop/product...acket?Outlet=1 The wool is from Australia, which was sent to Austria and made into loden fabric, which was sent to the USA and made into that LOVELY jacket which is on sale RIGHT NOW, dang it....

**BleeckerSt_Girl** · 10-05-2009, 10:35 AM

http://www.mapp.co.nz/
Ok, so it's NOT 100% merino wool? "Merino Advanced Performance Programme (MAPP)"....From what I'm reading on their site (and they sure make it damned HARD to figure out just what it is), "MAPP" is a fabric made of merino wool combined or layered with with recycled polyester fiber. "MAPP TECH" fabric using 100% merino wool- in it's content.
It would be nice if the content was made clear.
And what do they mean by:
"MAPP Merino wool, named after New Zealand's famous, specially-bred Merino sheep".....

"named after"???

Hmmm.......

What does the label say the content is?

**Cataboo** · 10-05-2009, 10:46 AM

I don't know if MAPP tech is a different fabric from just plain MAPP. Because I can't see how they can claim MAPP is 100% natural & renewable if it's recycling polyester involved.

I can't tell on their website. I know the one t shirt that I have that I know is MAPP just feels like wool.

http://www.teamestrogen.com/prodHN_WLSW09.html
http://www.chocolatefishmerino.co.uk/clothing/mapp.html
http://www.mapp.co.nz/attributes/MAPP-Attributes.pdf
http://www.howies.co.uk/content.php?xId=7&xPg=1

although this swobo page says:
http://www.bicyclinghub.com/swmewojeor.html
MAPP Matrix is a new range of technical fabrics designed with a performance edge. Lightweight, robust and comfortable, MAPP Matrix maximizes the performance potential of the wearer, by promoting the balanced regulation of core body temperature and providing protection and comfort in competitive, extreme conditions. At the core of any MAPP Matrix fabric is an inner base-layer of 100% Natural MAPP Merino, which is linked with a protective outer-layer of technical performance fabric. Next to skin core comfort with a technical outer edge.
MAPP Merino is an annually renewable, natural product. It is durable when in use, yet recyclable and biodegradable at the end of its life cycle
It is produced in free range farming systems, which are animal - and environment friendly. Our selected farms are chosen for their commitment to environmental responsibility and sustainability in farm management practices, as well as the superb quality of their Merino wool. Our philosophy reflects our dedication to environmentally friendly fabric manufacturing and finishing processes, to ensure our fabrics remain a sustainable and biodegradable resource.

**Susan Otcenas** · 10-05-2009, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by BleeckerSt_Girl

What does the label say the content is?

The paper hang tags *and* the sewn-in garment tags all say "100% New Zealand Merino Wool".

Susan

**Susan Otcenas** · 10-05-2009, 10:58 AM

As near as I can tell, MAPP, MAPP Tech and MAPP Matrix are 3 different fabrics. MAPP Tech and MAPP Matrix use MAPP combined with other textiles to create wool-blend fabrics for purposes for which 100% Merino would be inappropriate or less than ideal.

**KnottedYet** · 10-05-2009, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by BleeckerSt_Girl

"MAPP Merino wool, named after New Zealand's famous, specially-bred Merino sheep".....

"named after"???

Hmmm.......

"Merino" Advanced Performance Programme named after "Merino" sheep. Works for me.

Merino sheep were a crazy new creature back in the 1700's or so. I was reading a book on the history of wool and there was a whole section on what a closely guarded secret Merino were, and how HUGE the punishment would be if anyone sold a breeding pair outside of Spain. (I think it was Spain that bred them first) Now I've got to go find that book again. It was truly fascinating! Wool was like the life-blood and cornerstone of commerce and politics in Europe.

Nowdays I don't think we see much of any other sort of wool in clothing. National Geographic did a big spread on wool 15 or 20 years ago; I have that tucked away somewhere, too. It had a nice pictoral of the different breeds of sheep and the different qualities of their wools.

ETA: here's the wikipedia on merino, covers some of the history: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merino_sheep Now I really want to find that history book again.

**KnottedYet** · 10-05-2009, 12:24 PM

2009 is the International Year of Natural Fibers! Cool!
http://www.naturalfibres2009.org/

Oh, yummy... http://www.bluehouseyarns.co.nz/

ETA: The IYofNF site is really good! I'm like a kid in a candy shop!

**OakLeaf** · 10-05-2009, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by KnottedYet

I was reading a book on the history of wool

Oooooh, title and author please? I love agricultural history!

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