Quote Originally Posted by bluebug32 View Post
I'm not sure. Will have to look into this. You're saying they may not be that different in terms of frame geometry? I know the Trek has a taller headtube.
I'm only talking about the reach (horizontal) to compare since they feel different to you I wonder if the reach is the same but the angle or head tube length make the difference of more upright or "closer reach" for you.